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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Life has got worse under Labour, not better. Schools are worse than they ever were, kids go in with knives, tell their teachers to f- off and teachers live in fear of saying anything to them in case they get hauled up in front of the LEA. Transport is a nightmare now and the trains have basically priced people out of the market. It's rock hard to get registered with an NHS dentist because they have all gone private. Energy bills are sky high and the reality for most ordinary families is paying for running their homes takes up a big chunk of their monthly income especially in winter. If you were rich enough to be able to take advantage of the property boom by accumulating more than one property, then you were able to do well under Labour but most of us have been left behind.
The worst thing is the cheek they have now in talking about the massive deficit in state finances. Labour loved the whole PFI business in their early years, Blair was terrified of antagonising "middle england" so they raised money for short term investment not through taxation but through borrowing off private investors...."Public-Private Partnership" was never a partnership, it was just borrowing money from the private sector guaranteed to be paid back with stacks of interest over the long term, by the taxpayer. I remember back ten years ago the outrage in the public sector where everyone was warning the government they were mortgaging our future and racking up huge debts where the interest would be eating away at the public budget more and more each time a PFI contract was signed. The Labour government didn't care, because that was the way they could finance having their cake and eating it - low taxes for Middle England, but saying they'd found money to pay for public sector investment. Now ten years on Alastair Darling stands up and makes speeches telling the public sector they have to be honest with us and "break the bad news" that the public finances are in a shocking state, we can't afford to pay back our debt, so the public sector has to be ready to make big sacrifices.......where have you been for the last ten years mate....debt doesn't create itself overnight
All the extra money that Labour spent on the public services didn't really get much return, they over bureaucratised everything and made professionals like teachers, nurses and policemen spend more and more time on paperwork auditing themselves for Labour's league tables and disillusioned them from the profession.'"
spot on...life has got worse under labour and the tories are not much better..as for the rest they have`nt got a cat in hells chance of getting in...going out to vote is 10 minutes of my life i wont get back
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| The rights and wrongs of politics will be largely irrelevant in the election. The simple fact is Labour should be retained to maintain what little economic growth is occurring. Should we have a change of government, there will be an immediate moratorium on spending whilst they take stock, bringing about an immediate end to whatever momentum we have gained.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Not a dictatorship Rich I'd be quite happy to have lived under Clement Attlee's government, or Harold Wilson's, the difference in those days was they didn't want to detain you for ever more increasing times without trial, they didn't arrest you for writing a joke on Twitter, they didn't want to push ID cards on everybody. I prefer a society where the State doesn't want to know what you're doing and control every aspect of your life, so no New Labour for me thanks.'" I.D cards are a good thing especially for people whom want to holiday in the Euro zone ,rather than spend £100 on a passport they can get an I.D card and use it as a passport so it saves people money .
The only people whom don't want these cards are people who have something to hide, end of the day the application is no different than a passport application and I bet you have one of those !
Every government controls every aspect of everyone's life it's called taxation and security !
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| The 3 people who voted BNP..........you going to own up?
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| Quote: PADDERS "How do make out that Labour has failed us ?
The schools are better , the NHS is better the Emergency services are better All things which the conservatives destroyed, remember it was the conservatives who introduced the fuel escalator and sold off the governments jewels gas elec phones everything that made the country money we also had 15% interest rates the last time the conservatives were in power .
The recession was caused by America and greedy banks something that would have happened no matter who was in power but would have been worse if the conservatives had been there.
So explain where have labour failed us ?'"
For the first time definitely and probably for the only time – you have actually posted something sensible that is grounded on the same planet that the rest of us live on.
I agree with Padders and I need a lie-down.
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| Quote: WireFanatic II "The 3 people who voted BNP..........you going to own up?'"
Make that 4 - Are these idiots advocating our black players being kicked out of the country?
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| 40% for Labour. Interesting.
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| Quote: The All New Chester Wire "40% for Labour. Interesting.'"
You could have a monkey with a pledge of spending all our tax pounds on a rocket to the moon to cultivate cheese plants, stick a red ribbon on it and he'd still win. A few people i know vote the way they do only because that's who their parents vote for ? Just seems odd to me ?
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| Quote: PADDERS "I.D cards are a good thing especially for people whom want to holiday in the Euro zone ,rather than spend £100 on a passport they can get an I.D card and use it as a passport so it saves people money .
The only people whom don't want these cards are people who have something to hide, end of the day the application is no different than a passport application and I bet you have one of those !
Every government controls every aspect of everyone's life it's called taxation and security !'"
ID cards. Now theres money Labour have thrown away. ID cards are all well and good, but when people in Manchester have spent £30 on a bit of plastic that won't get them out of the country then its a waste of time. It seems we forgot to tell foreign travel companies about them as well as our own.
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| I'm 33 and I have never voted in my life...In the past its been because i had no interest in politics whatsoever... However, over the last few years i have developed an interest in politics.
I try to keep abreast of the issues and where the parties stand on them.... I have even found myself sky+ing question time
After much deliberation I have come to the conclusion that none of the parties are worth voting for.
parties like UKIP & Green can say whatever the hell they like... they are not going to become elected (although interestingly enough a friend of mine, who is heavily into politics believes that Green party will get in power one day. This is on the basis of the fact that he believes the Green issue will one day become the biggest vote swayer.. and they own the issue).. so back to UKIP & Green - a vote for them is about as meaningful as their 'agendas'.
BNP - You wouldn't have thought that there was much scope for Racist Nazi's in todays society... but there appears to be... I'm pretty sure that 9/10 people that vote for these are doing so because of a misguided understanding of what the BNP party actually is. I think most want to make a stand against the immigration problem (voting BNP is NOT the way to do this).
LibDem - When you listen to them, a lot of what they say makes sense.... but then you realise that they are pretty much safe in the knowledge that they will never have to implement their policies... LibDems are like the creepy kid at school that tells everyone what they want to hear just to make friends.
and finally labour and the tories... 'new labour' simply carried on from the 'old conservatives'.... its appearing that the conservatives could win this general election.. and if they do, no one will notice any difference... it will just be a different liar in a sy suit spinning us the same old evasive durge... yes there will be a few small token changes.. but the main infrastructure will remain the same... tories/labour - red tomato/blue tomato.
So for those reasons... I'm out.
having said that I am looking forward to this head to head live debate between Cameron & Brown... politics both interests & disgusts me at the same time... Bit like rugby union in that respect.
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| Too many people fall for the big myth of the political elites (eg the big 2 parties), that you have to either vote for them, or not vote at all, because any vote for an alternative is a "wasted vote". No wonder Thatcher and Blair kept getting re-elected, on a small turn out, with little enthusiasm from the public, but got huge parliamentary majorities. It's like saying you have to support Leeds and Saints this year because anybody supporting someone else is wasting their time.
Look how much publicity the BNP get on the back of winning a few more votes, they aren't going to get in power but they've succeeded in one of their aims, which is to push race politics up the political agenda, and have the other main parties trying to outdo each other for who will be "toughest on immigration".
Obviously the SLP, Respect party etc aren't going to win power but if parties like that started to get a bigger share of the vote, then it would start getting Labour to think about their heritage and move back to the left. There's loads of people in the country who support that type of politics but these days they just don't vote, because they don't like individuals like Scargill and Galloway.
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| Quote: Wire_Yed "You could have a monkey with a pledge of spending all our tax pounds on a rocket to the moon to cultivate cheese plants, stick a red ribbon on it and he'd still win. A few people i know vote the way they do only because that's who their parents vote for ? Just seems odd to me ?'"
I bet you Labour don't win Warrington South. And I'd be surprised if they get 40% of the vote in Warrington North too.
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| Quote: Finally Champions "I'll be voting for Labour, because what people seem to happily ignore is that Labour have prevented a Recession becoming a Depression.
The plain story is that the Conservatives got the Economic Downturn completely wrong, the hardest hit would have been left abandoned and they were the only party in World Politics to oppose fiscal stimulus.
And if the Conservatives win, it will be places like Warrington which see cuts first because of the fact we are a Labour area.
And I find it increasingly annoying the amount of people voting for "minor" parties which have no hope of winning. Are people too stupid to see that it is a clear choice between Labour and Tory, Brown and Cameron?
The fact that 3 mindless idiots have stated intention to vote for the BNP is nothing short of sickening. Do they want to extradite our players of colour and our foreign players?'"
I agree with all this.
I'm bemused by the original poster being torn between a party that's more Tory than the Tories and a party that is naturally socialist though.
For the record I voted Green in the European elections and would rather chop my hands off than put my X in Ukip's box. The General Election though is a straight choice between Labour and Conservative and there's only one option for me.
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| got to be labour they are the best of a bad bunch, and Cameron is a cocky arrogant joke
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| Quote: mark_m "By building debt that our kids and grandchildren will struggle to pay back. Apparently every man, woman and child is owed at least £5000 by the government as they prop up banks and public spending.
As RL Stevenson said, 'sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences'.'"
Is this debt conveniently ignoring the inevitable return on the investments made in propping up the banks? ASuch as the impending sale of the RBS investment arm, Sempra?
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