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Quote: Ashton Warrior "I think you need to touch up on your English before you break up though mate.'"


I think you need to touch up on your grammar.

Quote: Ashton Warrior "if you was over the age of 12, '"


Surely that should be "if you were"?

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Quote: Ashton Warrior "Make sense next time please.

Rather have Tomkins than either myself.'"



you can have him...very average at best

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Quote: ST_CONROY "I think you need to touch up on your grammar.



Surely that should be "if you were"?'"


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Tomkins is no where near as good as the Wigan fans make out. They are suffering from castleford-itis wherby if a youngster makes the first team he is classified as a future GB international. He doesnt have that X factor that both Myler and Eastmond have. Dont get me wrong, hes alright and will make a SL career, but he wont be anything more than a matty smith/Luke Robinson type player

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all the talk of getting a promising young lad in with plenty of scope.

the problem with that is that they will still need developing to progress to "star" status.

my point is, i don't think warrington have the capability of bringing that calibre of player on and getting him to the best in our game.

Warrington would have been better off bringing in someone like Dobson who is still very young and very proven.

I wanted saints to get him until he signed a new deal with kR.

My Knee jurk reaction to eastmonds performance last night leads me to think that there was no need to get dobson anyway.

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This opens again highlights the issue over why our youth development isn't producing the quantity and quality of players that St Helens are producing.

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Quote: Ashton Warrior "Its about as pointless as Richie Mathers.
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This confirmed that you're a tit who hasn't a clue about the game, you gave us 100k to take him and he's been outstanding.

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I've been watching Eastmood, Wheeler, Tomkins and Myler for well over 8 years now at Junior levels with St Pats and Blackbrook etc.
Eastmood and Wheeler are streets ahead of the rest in terms of pace, brain power and the kicking game. They will both cause havoc for Saints for the next 10years as 6 and 7. The fb Johnny Lomax was also a class act at Orrell St James as a 7, so i think Saints will have lots of back-up as well.
Worrying thing is We have not got any halfbacks either in the reserves or the acadamey that come close to this lot in terms of a)pace or b) taking the line on.
Wire will have to buy in talent in this area for a good few years, hopefully Myler will be first.

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Quote: jonah77 "
my point is, i don't think warrington have the capability of bringing that calibre of player on and getting him to the best in our game.'"


our head of junior development and head coach have got a track record of doing just that at Leeds

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Quote: Random Male "Tomkins is no where near as good as the Wigan fans make out. They are suffering from castleford-itis wherby if a youngster makes the first team he is classified as a future GB international. He doesnt have that X factor that both Myler and Eastmond have. Dont get me wrong, hes alright and will make a SL career, but he wont be anything more than a matty smith/Luke Robinson type player'"


Its clear you havent seen the guy play week in week out. But you have seen Myler and Eastmond.

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Quote: Fletcher ender "I've been watching Eastmood, Wheeler, Tomkins and Myler for well over 8 years now at Junior levels with St Pats and Blackbrook etc.
Eastmood and Wheeler are streets ahead of the rest in terms of pace, brain power and the kicking game. They will both cause havoc for Saints for the next 10years as 6 and 7. The fb Johnny Lomax was also a class act at Orrell St James as a 7, so i think Saints will have lots of back-up as well.
Worrying thing is We have not got any halfbacks either in the reserves or the acadamey that come close to this lot in terms of a)pace or b) taking the line on.
Wire will have to buy in talent in this area for a good few years, hopefully Myler will be first.'"


Interestng post.
I dont tend to watch that much academy level these days, nice to hear a slightly different take on things

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Quote: sally cinnamon "our head of junior development and head coach have got a track record of doing just that at Leeds'"



noted, good response. time will tell

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Quote: Les Boyd Is God "you can have him...very average at best'"


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Please tell me you're joking.

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Quote: mark_m "This opens again highlights the issue over why our youth development isn't producing the quantity and quality of players that St Helens are producing.'"

I think this year there has just been what teachers call a cohort of talent. It happens sometimes. We signed up seven from our academy this season (Wheeler and Eastmond, Smith and Moore were from earlier cohorts) and already all but Foster and Maginnis (whose name I can't spell) have played in the first team during a league match. I think they all got injured as a result, bar Lomax who I have to say is amazing. Given that he has three plates in his head, he tackles like a flippin demon, is very versatile and has a great rugby brain (as do both Eastmond and Wheeler).

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Fletcher ender "I've been watching Eastmood, Wheeler, Tomkins and Myler for well over 8 years now at Junior levels with St Pats and Blackbrook etc.
Eastmood and Wheeler are streets ahead of the rest in terms of pace, brain power and the kicking game. They will both cause havoc for Saints for the next 10years as 6 and 7. The fb Johnny Lomax was also a class act at Orrell St James as a 7, so i think Saints will have lots of back-up as well.
Worrying thing is We have not got any halfbacks either in the reserves or the acadamey that come close to this lot in terms of a)pace or b) taking the line on.
Wire will have to buy in talent in this area for a good few years, hopefully Myler will be first.'"


Rubbish, Tomkins is quick as well and can read a game better than Eastmond and Wheeler. Lomax is the real star I have played against this guy and he is awesome, future GB star.

The future looks bright.

Myler
Eastmond
Tomkins
Wheeler
Shenton
Roby
Graham
Hall
Lomax
Farrell
Mossop

All young players who should be playing international rugby now and in future years. I am sure there a few more but these are the ones I have seen the most of.

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