You are not sure what attendances have to do with on-field success ? A team has a string of wins and attendances rise, a team sits at the bottom of the table and attendances fall ? Attendances are a reasonable proxy for fan satisfaction, not perfect, but good enough in the absence of survey. Yet our attendances for Cas and BB were good - despite failing completely with the GF target last year. Surely if our only target was missed yet again we should have seen a drop in ST holders and the HJ half empty ? After all, this was the 7th year we failed. Could it be possible that you are not actually speaking for the majority of fans when you say " its not acceptable to even the most diehard TS fans". I think you are being slightly disingenuous Nigel.

Do you honestly believe that your ' Smith must go if we don't win the GF in 2017' has any relevance whatsoever if the majority of fans disagree. Nobody knows what will happen this season and this thread is riding high on the current dissatisfaction with three poor SL performances, plus the worry it may soon be four. If we do a Leeds there will be even more voices for Smith out. If we start to win and get back to top four it will suddenly get quiet. If we win the CC, attendances will climb and he will be the Messiah.
But it will be SM that decides if he is going to fire TS, and rapidly falling attendances will be the trigger point. If you are so insistent that TS must go this year If we don't win the GF, perhaps you should stop watching your beloved Wire and help him to make his mind up.

As I have said before, I am not in love with TS. He has drawbacks (longer term planning, unrealistic about players abilities, some recruitment etc). But I do think he is one of the best coaches in the UK and I am not optimistic about recruitment from good old Oz. I also think he has brought success to the club, success which we have not seen for much of the long time I have been watching. If there is a better alternative fine, trouble is, who on here is going to pick out the manager that will win us the GF in say the next couple of years ? Everything goes very quiet at that point doesn't it.

Yep..still fearing the worst after that debacle.

Wires71 view is shared by me. I want him gone with immediate effect. This is (relatively) worse than anything ive witnessed in the last 40 years. Smith is poor, very poor.

What is puzzling me, is that that after the Brisbane game, myself and a lot of other fans were thinking that this season looked promising. That game, we were cohesive and free flowing, punishing in defence and had a game plan. Of course there were a few things to improve on, but it was early doors. So what has changed? This is the same coaching setup, the same group of players, but it feels a bit flat. How can we go from looking like genuine contenders to genuinely struggling in just 3 weeks? I do believe we'll find that flow again, but it needs to happen sooner rather than later. I'm willing to trust TS in finding a way to turn it around.

I think the difference in the Brisbane game was that we got on the front foot right from the start & took the game to Brisbane, blew them away, handled well & gave away few penalties...discipline i think they call it, but let's not be complacent ,we allowed Brisbane to score 3 tries highlighting that our defence was not perfect.Our other opponents this year have all played on the front foot & blown us away, in short we can't defend & can only be successful when we can blow teams away.What has happened to our famous sliding defence from a few seasons ago ? Why do we waste at least 4 tackles on every set with negative attack before we start to spread the ball,providing we can keep possession ? In parts tonight,for our 3 tries, we played some good rugby but it is no good doing that for just 3 or even 2 tackles per set. This is Rugby League & the successful teams are throwing the ball about at every opportunity.

Should have let Alex Murphy have 10 mins with them at half time.

All 3 trophies were there for the taking last year, and we blew the best chance we'll have for decades. Most teams in the league were Mickey poor and we still blew it.

So...the Leigh game comes round. Does a defeat signal the end? A win mean all is peachy?

Wow, we get important players back and they get the match fitness required and we have two good performances against top three sides. Fancy that.

It seems the board are sharing responsibility for our poor 2017 so far, and are activity looking for the best hb, prop and ........YES 3/4 for 2018.
Gidley and possibly Sims on the way home.

....furthermore, I hear one particular hb we've been linked with had been offered £4xx,xxx per year to play with us.
Much more than our neighbours could muster...but much less than bids from further afield!!

Yes all is good now. We are going to win SL.

Not what he said at all. The point about match fitness is a good one, whether you accept it or not. I actually think TS is probably close to the end of his tenure but obtuse posts like these do nothing to advance your cause.
That is not to say that I think Smith should be sacked this season, I don't .

I do not need or want to advance my cause. What will be will be. This forum is entertainment and discussion, it's not a campaign.

My mistake.