You can send me your apologies at the end of the season Lefty, let me guess your a half glass empty type of person!!!!!

Yes I'm sure Salford and cats are unhapppy to have them in their team

Experience is gained by a consistant run of games, Patton was guilty of pushing it and taking too many risks trying to force things too hard lay on, but he recognised we needed to do or try something whilst rest of team seeed happy to go thru the motions. our biggest problem is we don't really have a partner he works well with I thin ratchford would take some of the ball running duties from him.

This dip in form for him will also be an experiance we need to see a response from him against stains and a good run of performances.

The positives this season for me are

Patton has gotten game time on the whole has held his own and we have been at our best when he is in the team consistancey is now key

Savellio seems to be putting in the effort and is for me a better option in te back row than jack Hughes on current form.

Philbin is starting to look like a prop

Ratchford it's hard to take him from the full back spot over last few seasons his position was debated I think home is now our first choice fb for better or worse

Lineham lacking the try scoring opportunities but his commitment and general effort in games has improved ten fold he chases back when others give up looks to take the ball in early and his defensive ability is improving and he is now generally safe under the high ball


The negatives are too long to list !!!

It's just so frustrating to watch us play at the moment which if we're winning can look to the positives of winning when playing poorly but I think that thinking flatters us and is only applicable if the poor performances are on occasion where the team is generally playing well!!

Patton is too slow to ever be anything other than ordinary...too slow both Physically and mentally. He is however, much quicker than old Mother Brown and Old Man Gidley.

I disagree to a point. A constant run of games that are not above his depth. Patton was way out of it tonight. Games vs Saints and Pies will most likely be counter productive in his development and may cause him setbacks that put him back...that is what I've seen tonight. He backed himself into the shadow of Brown, almost like hie purposely didn't want to out play him.

I think we bought the wrong Widnes back.
What we need here is a back that wants to run forward and attack the line like Nat Wood would do...we ought to had signed Mellor.

the fact that we have signed ANY player from Widnes tells you all you need to know about where we are at the moment as a club.

He was a Wire first.

Really? Because it looked like we had them rattled after our second score but managed to take our foot off the proverbial throat.

Patton nowhere near good enough and wasn't good enough last season. Far too ponderous in leg and head. Makes me chuckle how we used to berate the likes of rocky turner and even he would knock this lot into a cocked hat....and thats not nostalgia talking. Woeful basic skills on show

Game too far tonight after recently jamming it. Could have been different had we got the first try (or any try) in 2nd half! After weeks of shuffling, it's going to be same again for next couple weeks so anything in next couple games will be a plus.

Last twenty minutes of the first half we gradually got on top, not coincidentally because we got a reasonable share of posession. Started the second half brilliantly with Philbin's break. If we had scored then I think it would have been a different game. What followed was Sneyd's excellent kicking game depriving us of posession again for, more-or-less, the last 30 minutes.

Patton attacks the line and takes the ball closer to the line before shifting it , more than ant other player in the team.

A half back need runners, forwards steaming in on an angle. Instead he has Cooper and Jack Hughes wondering round doing sod all.

I only managed to see the 2nd half but Hull were on the front foot for most of the half & deserved the win. As mentioned previously,Sneyd kicked us to death ,Kelly did the string pulling & Hull's orchestrated attack did the rest assisted, in no small part by supporting the ball carrier. I don't think the pass for the interception could have been more telegraphed by western union though. I thought Cooper was running better & making more yards when we got the ball & Hill & Philbin went well.

Right lads I've just read the forum & my team for this week is......