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| Given how our current wage structure is, will we be squeezing in another prop what are peoples thoughts? Now that Magoulias has signed.
I certainly feel like we still need one. Although I’d rather us not lose Charnley tbh as Minikin is already sidelined for a long period, it will most likely leave us short of three quarters.
Does anyone know the status of Brand and Robson btw, have they been released or do they have another 12 months?
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| Neither Brand nor Robson look good enough to me, cover only too. If they have anything about them they should want to be somewhere that they will play at their ages and stages of their careers. They need games and we can't realistically offer that to them unless we loan them out.
I can't understand why we want to ship Charney out, unless we need cap space. Is Eden still off contract? Wonder if that's linked to Charney being touted around?
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| Quote CW8="CW8"Neither Brand nor Robson look good enough to me, cover only too. If they have anything about them they should want to be somewhere that they will play at their ages and stages of their careers. They need games and we can't realistically offer that to them unless we loan them out.
I can't understand why we want to ship Charney out, unless we need cap space. Is Eden still off contract? Wonder if that's linked to Charney being touted around?'"
I did hear second hand that Charnley's contract wasn't getting renewed so if he's only got a year left (I've no idea btw how long he's got) but it might be a case of seeing whether he can get 2 or 3 years somewhere decent or at least on decent terms
I wouldnt be unhappy if he stayed might get some service and his mojo back under Happy Darryl
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| Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"I did hear second hand that Charnley's contract wasn't getting renewed so if he's only got a year left (I've no idea btw how long he's got) but it might be a case of seeing whether he can get 2 or 3 years somewhere decent or at least on decent terms
I wouldnt be unhappy if he stayed might get some service and his mojo back under Happy Darryl'"
He's still a good player and he works hard, maybe we would see more of the charnley we first signed with a much improved back row and a different playing mentality? If I was charnley I'd be rubbing my hands thinking about not having to take 2 carries per set in to a solid line of defenders! Also having a proper out and out centre to play outside of May appeal to him. We do have Ashton and Thewlis but absolutely nothing after that (to the best of my knowledge) with Minikin likely out for the start of the season.
We can't be touting charnley around without having somebody else lined up to come in surely?
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| I know it’s a prop topic but the theme is Charnley.
All I can say about him, is he hasn’t had the best of partnerships, I thought we’d were on it with Gelling, but Gells screwed it up.
A winger is only as good as his centre or inside service.
Can we honestly say, Charnley has had a good run of service…I certainly can’t.
Let’s say he is still a Wire in 2022, who is going to be his centre?
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| Peter Matautia or, at a stretch, Stef Ratchford.
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| Quote rubber duckie="rubber duckie"I know it’s a prop topic but the theme is Charnley.
All I can say about him, is he hasn’t had the best of partnerships, I thought we’d were on it with Gelling, but Gells screwed it up.
A winger is only as good as his centre or inside service.
Can we honestly say, Charnley has had a good run of service…I certainly can’t.
Let’s say he is still a Wire in 2022, who is going to be his centre?'"
Exactly I don't think our wingers have been used effectively under price. And when you look at the best centres of the SL eras they've all won trophies which is no coincidence. Matautia n king are better for wingers but I do think king has to really step up a gear this season was a little underwhelming last season but so was the entire team.
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| It will be mata'autia or King either of those makes a good combination with Charney. Even better with Currie on the same flank. I'm quite happy with the startijg centres but think we lack depth in wing and centres really. One injury and we are struggling a bit, especially in the centres. Wing will be the same if we offload Charney and don't sign anyone else IMO.
Next year will hopefully be a far better year to be a winger or centre at warrington than the last 3 have been. I agree with Duckie Charnley has been wasted under the last regime. His scoring record when he just signed was brilliant for the first season, he's a really good winger.
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| Quote CW8="CW8" We do have Ashton and Thewlis but absolutely nothing after that (to the best of my knowledge) with Minikin likely out for the start of the season.
I think Conor Wrench would be able to play wing in our 1st team at this stage pf his career.
He is very fast, has good footwork and is elusive.
Wane obviously sees his potential, with his recent selection in the England squad.
Centre does seem to be his position in the future, but for me he plays wing, if Charnley leaves.
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| Quote CW8="CW8"He's still a good player and he works hard, maybe we would see more of the charnley we first signed with a much improved back row and a different playing mentality? If I was charnley I'd be rubbing my hands thinking about not having to take 2 carries per set in to a solid line of defenders! Also having a proper out and out centre to play outside of May appeal to him. We do have Ashton and Thewlis but absolutely nothing after that (to the best of my knowledge) with Minikin likely out for the start of the season.
We can't be touting charnley around without having somebody else lined up to come in surely?'"
He's our 2nd highest try scorer last year after Mamo. Imagine if he got quality ball in space more often.
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| Quote Boss Hog="Boss Hog"
Pretty sure wrench is only just learning his craft as a centre after being a backrow (happy to be corrected). So probably wouldn't be as easy for him to slot in out wide, since he's not a 3/4 by trade
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| Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"
Unless King or Matuatia are injured, he isn`t going to play in our 1st team next year at centre and he now requires regular game time.
You are correct, in that he played 2nd row for Warrington Academy initially, but he is now a 3/4, and has been selected as a travelling squad player for England as one.
At his age he should be able to move one position further out, especially with the coaching that Sheridan and Powell would provide.
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| Wrench covering Wing isn't a bad shout but say we play him on the wing then lose a centre, there is hardly any cover at all in the backs. Plus it would definitely be better to try to settle him in one position at this stage, he is our only centre cover so will likely be getting a good 10-20 games at centre covering injuries/ suspensions.
Chanrley is good, he's reliable and he consistently plays most games in a season. I'd much rather he stays to be honest, I would be tempted to swap for Eden on a less wage though if that's on the cards.
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| Quote CW8="CW8"Wrench covering Wing isn't a bad shout but say we play him on the wing then lose a centre, there is hardly any cover at all in the backs. Plus it would definitely be better to try to settle him in one position at this stage, he is our only centre cover so will likely be getting a good 10-20 games at centre covering injuries/ suspensions.
Chanrley is good, he's reliable and he consistently plays most games in a season. I'd much rather he stays to be honest, I would be tempted to swap for Eden on a less wage though if that's on the cards.'"
I too would like to see Charnley stay.
He has been starved of possession, and did not get enough chances, which was ludicrous given his try strike rate when he joined us.
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| Quote Boss Hog="Boss Hog"
Not necessarily, if he's learning to play centre, not guarantee he can swiftly pick up wingers positioning and catching the myriad of kicks.
Not just yet.
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| Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"
So do you want him to play in our reserve team until Matautia retires then?
Wrench needs to play Super League in 2022 and if it means playing wing initially if Charnley leaves then I think he will thrive.
Lots of player have started their 1st team careers out of position on the wing, and then moved elsewhere in the backline later.
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| I have hope Powell will give plenty of game time to Wrench, Thewlis, Walker and Longstaff. I think they are 4 real quality youngsters (particularly Walker and Longstaff) who will be around for a while.
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| Have we got one yet?
We’ll be lucky to be top 5.
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| Quote rubber duckie="rubber duckie"Have we got one yet?
We’ll be lucky to be top 5.'"
I’m going out on a bit of a limb here RD, but am I right in thinking you believe we are light in the prop dept?
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| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"I’m going out on a bit of a limb here RD, but am I right in thinking you believe we are light in the prop dept?'"
Anything to get his mate Battye in 
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| When you've seen teams with Sumner, Mark Jones, Gary tees, and hilton as your props, I don't know how you can possibly complain about the current incumbents.
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| Sumner ?!?!? He was a great prospect when he came though. Remember that try at the old Boulevard ?
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| Sumner was way back when I first started watching, but I seem to remember injuries being the problem rather than ability?
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| Quote Moe syslak="Moe syslak"When you've seen teams with Sumner, Mark Jones, Gary tees, and hilton as your props, I don't know how you can possibly complain about the current incumbents.'"
Does the comparison hold Moe?
I don't have the answers and don't know whether we have cap space and will give them the BOD based on Powell's "gauntlet" podcast but the "current incumbents" are part of a squad that's been well funded and has been for years. Surely the question is, is it balanced, is our pot divvied up correctly?
The comparative would then read Morley, Carvell, Wood and Hill.
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| Quote easyWire="easyWire"Sumner was way back when I first started watching, but I seem to remember injuries being the problem rather than ability?'"
That's as I remember it as well. At that time we had to play young forwards too often and suffered the consequences.
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