Whilst brushing up on your spelling and grammar, you should check your history books too, as this wasn’t in 1902.

Saints fans need to cling to the 95 RT Semi, as it’s the only time in 7 attempts in the last 40+ years they have beaten us in a semi or final. And lest we forget, even in that RT, they then went on to lose the final (though it wasn’t as bad as the 27-0 defeat they famously suffered at Wembley). We will likely see this year whether their big match victories over Halifax and Salford have been enough for them to finally shed their ‘bottlers’ tag.

It’s interesting when you take the longview to see what a non-entity Saints were before WW2. Most of the other big clubs of today, such as Wire, Wigan, Leeds, Hull (despite some blips), have been prominent throughout the game’s history. Even at the time of the breakaway, Saints were considered more like one of the second class clubs. Whilst this fact is probably not that well known today, it makes you wonder what impact this context has on the culture and mindset of a club.

In many regards, Saints have more historically in common with other smaller clubs who rose to prominence in more recent times, like Widnes and Bradford. I guess time will tell whether Saints have permanently made the move to join the big clubs, or whether like those two, we will see them fall back into their ‘usual’ position.

Excellent post...1902 was a good year too.

PMSL. Err, no. Are you actually disputing that part of my comment? Prior to the 50s Saints has appeared in one Championship final, failed in all 3 challenge cup finals, and only had 3 Lancs based titles. Compared to the level of prominence of Warrington, and Leeds (despite competing with up to 3 other town teams and soccer), this is nothing to shout about. Alongside club honours, you need to consider things like international and county reps, and involvement in the running of the game.

Just ban the twunt.
Sick and tired of plastic scousers, who bring nothing to the debate, bar willy measuring .

3 days after a niling, and they're still on here. Time they toddled off

What's that scouse song....

And if you know your'istory...

But you cant pick and choose timescales to measure success you have to look at the whole history of the game, prior to 1960 aston villa were the most successfull club in football so does this make liverpool and united "non entitys"

Wigan went 27 years without a championship and leeds 32 but along with saints those clubs have had far more success than warrington, you might not like it but its a fact

Warringtons trophy count since 1895 puts them in the third tier of successfull clubs alongside the likes of swinton, huddersfield and halifax and if you just go off championships they are probably in the fouth tier keeping company with widnes,salford and featherstone and until you win another 5/6/7 league titles this will not change and neither will peoples perceptions of warrington as a small club with a big mouth

Lol.
I'm not biting.

You're only as good as your last game. Let's move on.

I can pick and choose as I please, depending on the point I'm wishing to make; I'm talking about rugby league, so not sure why you wish to divert the thread to soccer.

You seem to be trying to create an argument with me, rather than wishing to address the point I made. That's fine, if you don't wish to engage in this particular discussion, but I'm not going to get into a silly "we're more successful than you" conversation; if nothing else, it would be rather daft of me, as indisputably Saints have had more success over the whole of the game's history. This fact therefore isn't very interesting, and doesn't warrant discussion IMHO.

What I find more stimulating is considering how the modern day mindset of fans, and the culture of a club is impacted by its origins and it's development alongside that of the sport. So what impact does the fact that Saints were a minor club for the first approx 80 years of northern rugby, before an intense period of success catapulted them to the top echelon of the game have on them today? Your responses so far could be interpreted a certain way too, as you seem somewhat uneasy or unwilling to accept that for a very long time your team were not held in the same regard as now.

The weight of history bears down stronger than most people appreciate.

That "minor" club won more than double the number of championships in the first 80 years of rugby league (1895 -1975) 7 to 3 ,than warrington have won in the whole 125 years of the game, so if we were a "minor" club in the first 80 years then god only knows what warrington were

*sigh* There you go again. Northern rugby did not start in 1895! Even Saints had won a cup by then (allbeit the Lancashire second division).

Fascinating how hard it seems to be for you to take that Saints were once not very important.

I'll leave you to your own echo chamber - maybe you'll have a more enjoyable 'discussion' that way.

All the best
ntw

All the history of NW teams were from the 2 biggest clubs. Warrington and Wigan.

Warrington bigger than saints.........you got any other jokes

No matter how you measure it, trophys won , attedances, stadium capacity, number of times clubs have broke the transfer record, number of international players represented the club, saints are superior to warrington in every aspect

We measure by how many rival fans frequent our forum.