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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "
Maybe generation snowflake actually does exist and we have built an entitled generation who believe death can and should be avoided, and not what it actually is, and that's a sad inevitability.'"


Trying to fight disease and tackle public health crises isn't generation snowflake, its what Alexander Fleming and Louis Pasteur were doing when they made discoveries that revolutionised medicine.

Generation snowflake is moaning that you can't go out to get smashed with your mates and saying if I get it it will just be like flu who cares about the older generation.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Trying to fight disease and tackle public health crises isn't generation snowflake, its what Alexander Fleming and Louis Pasteur were doing when they made discoveries that revolutionised medicine.

Generation snowflake is moaning that you can't go out to get smashed with your mates and saying if I get it it will just be like flu who cares about the older generation.'"


Did either of those guys propose turning the nation into a police state during their fight?

Individuals getting intercepted on the Isle of Man, Government being able to monitor your movements through your phone and punish you accordingly... be careful what you wish for.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Did either of those guys propose turning the nation into a police state during their fight?
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No but the previous pandemics had seen that sort of response from authorities. During the plague houses with infected people were boarded up with watchmen appointed to make sure nobody broke isolation.

I do agree that the government's approach of extending these emergency powers for 2 years is concerning, given that Boris himself seems to be claiming we can turn the tide within 12 weeks. It seems more sensible to me to take these powers for 6 months and have them subject to review in Parliament at that time. I suspect part of the agenda here is wanting to have powers in place to cover the period from January next year when the Brexit transition period ends.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "The government strategy has now changed after they received a report ( modelling) from Imperial which basically pointed out that on the current infection rate the NHS would need 'many times' the number of intensive care beds that they currently had in place leading to 'excess mortality' as experienced in Italy. Is this the first detailed piece of work to try and estimate the NHS capacity ?

Anyway, rather than now trying to flatten the infection curve they will try and drastically reduce the numbers that are getting infected (Suppression). Hence all the much stricter social distancing announced yesterday ( pubs, restaurants, theatres etc). So now we will see a smaller peak of infections followed by a drop ( to allow the NHS to recover their available bed numbers), followed by another increase in infections as they relax the social distancing. I don't know how many bumps they anticipate we will go through.

The upside is that they should save a lot more lives but the downside is it will obviously take a lot longer to get through the outbreak. That will certainly hit our businesses and economy. In order to soften this blow the government announced today a lot more money in the form of grants and loans (100's of £billions).



So now we have entered the speed bumps that I highlighted above. The infection rate and number of critical care patients will continue to rise for a while, then begin to drop. But something like 60% of the population will need to catch the virus to gain immunity, so after a fall I think you will see the government relaxing the social distancing to increase the infection rate again. If they judge it perfectly, each peak will result in enough critical care beds being available for those that need it. I haven't the faintest idea as to how many of these bumps we will see but surly this is all going to go on for much longer than 12 weeks.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "I haven't the faintest idea as to how many of these bumps we will see but surly this is all going to go on for much longer than 12 weeks.'"


12 months minimum of on/off lockdowns, similar to what we are entering apparently.

I would say it looks like very little sport until probably spring next year, and with that, probably the death of RL as we know it.

Also, on a more serious note, I'd say it's also going to lead to the biggest period of austerity and recession anybody will have ever known and will probably be responsible for far more death in the long term than this virus will cause.

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Here is a good article from the BBC this morning. Essentially it raises the point that Dita has made by asking how many of the deaths from Coronavirus would have occurred in any case (in the older population). Its a short jump from there to saying the economic effects have to be balanced against these 'excess deaths'. That's a difficult moral dilemma.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
Here is a good article from the BBC this morning. Essentially it raises the point that Dita has made by asking how many of the deaths from Coronavirus would have occurred in any case (in the older population). Its a short jump from there to saying the economic effects have to be balanced against these 'excess deaths'. That's a difficult moral dilemma.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654


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Quote: Winslade's Offload "Here is a good article from the BBC this morning. Essentially it raises the point that Dita has made by asking how many of the deaths from Coronavirus would have occurred in any case (in the older population). Its a short jump from there to saying the economic effects have to be balanced against these 'excess deaths'. That's a difficult moral dilemma.


That contains the cases breakdown across the age groups, the big numbers in the 60+ groups .

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