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Quote: bewareshadows "Seriously???
Yet another for sally's bulging keepnet.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Smith destroyed Leeds by leaving them with an ageing squad and a big rebuilding job for his successor, the three Grand Finals they won after he left were just papering over the cracks and making fans miss the real problems that were going on at the club.

He has done exactly the same with us and again three Challenge Cup wins have papered over the real serious and deep problems behind the scenes.

But of course all fans and the board see is the trophy count.

If we win the Grand Final this year all the mugs will be satisfied but it will mean another year of Smith, another year of no change, another year of failing to deal with our problems...'"


Memo to jdrocket: See above, that's how it's done.

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If winning trophies is not the measure of success, what is?????

This is from a Saints fan too'"


Goodhart's Law: once you start using a particular measure as a target for success then it loses its information content because people start gaming the system just to get results on that measure

eg when you start judging coaches by trophy count you get them gaming the system by picking weakened teams in the league the game before a cup semi or cup final, or rotating their squads during the year just to try and keep them fit for the playoffs

That has skewed results and has damaged rugby league.

It sounds like the sort of thing New Labour would have done, published performance tables on coaches by how many trophies they'd won, Ian Millward would have been given a seat in the House of Lords as the government's Elite Performance Tsar.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Goodhart's Law

I think you are right. Once Moran decided to judge TS on the number of trophies he collected, we were always on Goodhart's downward spiral. Despite all the hard work by the RFL to produce a imaginative playoff system, rugby league has been totally shafted.

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The good thing with this thread is if we win the Grand Final we can make some graceless comments like Sinfield and McDermott did, "everyone was writing us off, nobody gave us a chance, except those lads in the dressing room, this is for all the haters, stick the SL trophy up your booties"

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Quote: sally cinnamon "The good thing with this thread is if we win the Grand Final we can make some graceless comments like Sinfield and McDermott did, "everyone was writing us off, nobody gave us a chance, except those lads in the dressing room, this is for all the haters, stick the SL trophy up your booties"'"



Oh please, no.

The most charismaless man in the world, giving the most churlish victory speech, ever.

I'd rather Morley just give a cheeky wink to the camera, and say " a big thank you to all the naysayers on RLFans' Warrington page, who want rid of Smith and think we aren't a big club", after which he unfurles a banner saying "cheer-up, internet doubters"

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I'm guessing this is a wind up

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Quote: lefty goldblatt "Oh please, no.

The most charismaless man in the world, giving the most churlish victory speach, ever.

I'd rather Morley just give a cheeky wink to the camera, and say " a big thank you to all the naysayers on RLFans' Warrington page, who want rid of Smith and thing we aren't a big club", after which he unfurles a banner saying "cheer-up, internet doubters"'"


I Like it eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif

This is a good thread a010.gif

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What I really want to know is how JD rocket gets the time to make all these superb pen and ink hand drawings, photograph them, convert to a suitable format, and then post them as his avatar ?

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread.

It was just a thought.

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If you want we can do a coach swap Tony Smith for Brian Mac!! I will drive him to the HJ personally! Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please!!!

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No hang on to him, JUST KEEP HIM AWAY FROM A MICROPHONE!!!! PS and SW should too. a046.gif

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Quote: SEB "Yet another for sally's bulging keepnet.'"



I did say seriously! icon_smile.gif

I'm not a regular on the warrington boards so it's hard to know who to take seriously, when it's just words on a page, some people have seamed close to suicidal after the Warrington loss in the last game.

If it's tongue in cheek in responce to the OP then fair enough.

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Quote: bewareshadows "I'm not a regular on the warrington boards so it's hard to know who to take seriously'"


Everyone except Sally.

And Padders eusa_whistle.gif

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He's not perfect, but far far more positives than negatives from Mr Smith!

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I do feel this will be our best chance of a GF spot for awhile unless we go on a signing spree in the next 24 months.

To be fair to Smith we have only choked once under him in the Playoffs which was Hudds at home in 2010 and last season was a flip of a coin between us an Leeds making the final, in a match that was good enough to be a Grand Final! we need to beat Hull though no excuses unless they go onto win GF, we should be winning against the 6th place team.

One thing I hadnt noticed was that in both seasons that Smith won the Grand Final his Leeds side had lost in the Playoffs then picked themselves up to defeat the sides in the repeat fixture, hopefully a good omen that Smith can lift this Wire side for Saturday.

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