TS deserves the opportunity to put it right after what he has done for us. After all if we had, say, won 3 more games than we have we would be sitting joint 3rd and this thread would not exist. We gave Cullen years and years and he had no pedigree of success. Tony Smith has give us success we could only have dreamed of in 2009 and deserves similar time. Yes his succession planning is questionable as is the decision about Carvell and Asotasi. There is clearly something "up" in the camp too. But he will sort it in my view.

i dont think there's anything up, we're just missing leadership around the club.

i can understand why they would hand part of the captaincy to westwood,purely from an on field performance pov, however i dont think he's totally like a peacock that you can get behind. i always thought that he was a partner in crime for briers and obviously did his best work in conjunction with Lee getting him going.

Monas on the other hand, love the fella, but he's gone on a season(possibly two) too long, and i think captaincy isn't for him, i really dont like seeing him talking to the ref, in the past any bad performances we've had, you'll see him regularly moaning at the referee about bad decisions, but not in a captain stylee, just like his head and concentration has gone.

We just partly need seniority and leadership, thats what's been lost with moz going and also Bert, i've read over the years about the high standards moz demanded in training, likewise with Hodgo, there were reports of him pushing the other backs and wingers for standards. you have to wonder who in the team should/could be doing that this year.

Never mind winning 3 more games this season, I wonder if this thread would exist if our results this season were exactly as they are but we had not lost in the second half at Old Trafford

*Taken us as far as he can*.... A tired, worn out cliché started in football and sadly, has now spread to our game...Please desist.

Also just to say, i wonder if the club are questioning the benefit of the australia trip this year.

This comment from atkins has stuck in my head since pre season

Its this bit of Atkins personal diary from that very same trip that got me thinking

Humour in adversity, no one does it better than a Wire fan.

Could it be that TS had a shopping list of players he would like to sign and SM told him that there was no money to spend?
There are several players who the media have speculated were coming to Warrington but have subsequently signed for other clubs.

Apart from me, hey, Uncle Rico?

I had begun to think nobody would come up with that speculation.
It seems obvious to me that happened.
Posters on here would have gone straight for the throat if I had have said that.

its more likely to be the other way around.

The money is there to spend, but TS didnt feel it was required.

The money has always been there for TS and PC to spend, if they wanted a player and it cost a fee it was still done. Why would that position change?
TS has put faith in a squad and that faith has backfired.

Just thank our lucky stars Mick Higham has actually improved at a point in his career in which he should be declining.
Thank our lucky stars that a Championship prop defied the odds to become a starting prop internationally.

Without the go forward of those two we'd be abysmal.

hard to really argue with that.... only really Westwood can stand up and be counted with those 2. All the others are a bit 'meh'

I was told that the money was there but the quality was not, he was not prepared to bring in overseas players who are only equal too or less than the quality we aready have, makes sense really. Why buy if what you want is not available. I also believe that the possibility is that the player/s that he wanted may be available this year ??
Who knows.

Here's me thinking we have moved on?