I am concerned as to his fitness level. In recent games he seems to spend a good deal of time with his hands on his knees gasping for breath.If he is not fit for whatever reason he should not be playing. He played well at the beginning of the season but his form has taken a nosedive in recent matches.However the "fans" who booed him should be ashamed of themselves.......

I don't know if you are fishing or not. You usually are. I suppose that comes with the territory of you being such a good master baiter.

I don't agree with you opinion of paying the ticket and gatting cart blanche; as well as you're parrallel witha stand up comedian.

Firstly, the pay your money, say what you want attitude. We'll ignore the ruining the experience for other paying people and the obvious lack of class. It is also ultimately detrminetal tot he team. The guy has come over from Australia and is adapting (australia where it is a lot more queit in the crowd than here) and the last thing we need is a bunch of brain dead fans shooting his confidence up the wall because they don't understand what it is like to see Wire out of form.

Secondly, the stand up comedian thought. Apart from the fact that they are completely different feilds and chances ar that Trent has been working for 25 years at his trade, while a comedian has been working maybe 3 or 4 for both to be used to the same abuse. What I am saying is that a comedien's job (in most cases) is to be quick and ready for heckles and booing. If they can't do that then they are uselsss- while trent's primary job is playing rugby and shouldn't have to be booed. He isn't trained or equiped to deal with such abuse from the fans. He is jsut trying to do his job.

Now this may be making Trent out to be a softy and chances are that he is fine. But, I still find the implications of and rudeness of chanting at him to be disgusting. If he took drugs and gauged a player's eyes and confronted a referee and/or threw a ball at a child, so be it. but he is just doing his job to the best of his ability at the moment and people are getting on him. A better job anology would be a concert pianist. In fact, I bet ont one person boos a runner at the olympics. I bet no onehas booed Oxford or Cambridge at the boat race.

Any way, if Daniel Anderson wants him in the team, that'll do for me.

This sums it up for me. I hate the idea that if you pay your money you can act like a moron. Being half drunk and ignorant often adds to the problem. We all want Warrington to do well but "creating anxiety" as mentioned above really does not help at all.

waterhouse has had to do a lot of defending in his first few games here as have the rest of the forwards. I think our left edge is taking a bit more of a pounding than our right edge and that was clear from the first game at Hull away. Teams are targeting Mylers side more than they didlast year. Teams know they will get very little change out of Westwood, Bridge and Monaghan. Louis anderson also had the luxury of Solomona coming on after 25 minutes to cause havoc down the left, Waterhouse may not have that when you factor in fewer interchanges. I am not a big one for Stats but when compared with another left second rower (Gaz Hock) he has made nearly 100 more tackles in one game less. The fella deserves a break but he is a big name aussie so unless he is scattering bodies every time he takes a hit up he will be looked upon as a failure to the wire faithful. When you look at some of the big name aussie forwards we have had here do we expect too much from them?

Good post.

Do you remember the home game against Castleford (last of Cullen's reign). Were the fans entitled to "boo" then or should they have been more supportive? Maybe if we were more supportive we would not have appointed Tony Smith in the long run.

The hard fact is that there is a charge to watch the game imposed by the club. We are by virtue customers, consumers of a sporting event and merchandise if you like. The better we play the more come and watch. It's a leisure spend now for many as it is not cheap to support the Wire with a family. We probably have a hard-core of 3-4K who would watch us if we fell out of SL and with the also-rans.

In my experience the most ardent critics when we are not playing well are a) those with most games in and b) those who follow the team assiduously - home and away.

Coaches, players, conditioners etc come and go - they are all merely custodians of a club that is rooted in history and they are answerable to the fans through the turnstyle.

In summary. Pay your money you are entitled to voice opinion - positive or otherwise.

he's ordinary in my opinion, but the whole team has been ordinary, plus he isnt as bad as Matt King was in his first 18 months. So i dont get how people can single one player out to boo.

As already mentioned Paul wood who was excellent last season is atrocious at the moment, Carvell is shocking, Bridge out of sorts, both Monaghans gone AWOL one much more than the other......... the list goes on Lee Briers is ordinary, and whats with the tramp look?? it doesnt suit him and he spends all game moving his fringe out of his eyes ... Brian clough wouldnt have stood for that.

lets all boo Lee Briers ridiculous haircut please........

I can't agree with this at all. In my experience the fans who have "most games in" and "follow the team assiduously - home and away" tend to be much more forgiving (to the point of too forgiving) about performances. Being a Warrington fan falling into the two categories above you'd have worried yourself into an early grave over the last 20 or so years if you weren't forgiving of under-performing teams.

I find the most ardent critics can generally be found in the pub watching the game on Sky.

How would you feel if we lose to Castleford at home on the weekend and Tony decides to jack it in like Cullen did? People booed that day because we needed a change, people are booing today because we've been spoilt over the past few years by the best team I've seen in my years of service as a wire. At the end of the day a few people booing isn't going to make the people at the top make big decisions, or make the manager 'answerable', I'm sure a chairman or whoever would be able to see that for themselves. Booing is only going to dent the players. I didn't boo that day for the record.

I agree with the above that the people who follow us as much as they can tend to be more forgiving than the 'armchair' fan.

If we hadn't have had the season we had last year, and instead had this season as our 2011 season and comparing that to our 2010 season would we be complaing now?

I've never booed them. Ever. It's counterproductive. However, I understand why people feel entitled to and, to a degree, '71 is right on that score - they have paid, they have the 'right' to express their displeasure. I suppose it depends on what you view the people who turn up as. If you're a supporter in the truest sense, I don't think it's just about putting your money in...

As for PY's counterpoint to 71's about who is more likely to snap first; I reckon those who go home and away are less likely to complain than those who've been there for years. I remember plenty of old timers (in every sense of the phrase) at Wilderspool who used to stand near me who were practically waiting for the team to fail so they could moan. Regrettably, they didn't have to wait long in those days. They always seemed to be there, complaining. I often think of Warrington fans as those 3 supporters in the film Major League, even when they were champions "They're still s****y".

Turning back to Waterhouse, at the risk of contradicting what I've just written, booing him or ironically cheering his exit from a game is moronic. He's been here 5 minutes. He's still settling in. Some people have learned nothing from Monaghan (M) and King.

Many of our fans now see it as our god given right to win every game, and anything less than a hiding is a poor showing.
As usual, a signing from the NRL creates this god like assumption amongst our barrel of monkey nuts supporters; they look at his size and immediately think he'll be unstoppable. There's no logical thought pattern about how he might have to get used to a new climate, area, team mates, structure, expectation etc etc. The immediate expectation is that he must be great now otherwise he's "crap". We'll be bringing this thread up in 4 months, I bet you. Laughing.

The amount of crap you hear spouted about is hilarious so far this year.

"Myler is crap. He's not a scrum half and not good enough for Warrington"
"Morley is too old, time to get rid now"
"The players do not want to play with Myler cos he boned Harrisons bird"
"We need to get rid of Carvell because he's now "
"Waterhouse doesnt want to be here"
"Tony Smith has lost the dressing room"
"Everyone is too old"
"Joel Monaghan is a one trick pony, and doesnt work hard enough"

Joke "fans". Finished top last year and lets face it, should have won the GF as we were by far and away the best side all year, with Wigan too to be fair. Not 6 months later and we're too old, our defence is crap and our attack stinks.

Laughable.

Good post that, people should also be aware that at this stage last season we had lost the same number of games that we have this season.

As I keep saying

Target 1 - qualify for the playoffs

Target 2 - depending where we finish win up to four games on the trot in the playoffs

It's a simple formula


We're getting too excited by all this - surely we have learnt from last season that its the playoffs that count

Unfortunately this is the situation that leeds created last year. Its created this mentality of frick the league it means jack poop. Personally I have thought its a pathetic way to run a competition, im not saying it because of what happened last year but they should go back to the league then the premiership as a seperate comp