you must be joking, not in the same league as saints, i carnt believe youve even started this thread, how can you compare warrington to a club as big as sthelens. youve won a challenge cup, you need to have at least 7 years in the top 2 winning grand finals challenge cups leagues and world club challenges when you have done that and as many times as saints have fair enough, but you have had one good year won the challenge cup last year and your comparing warrington to st helens, dont be daft

. . . for one more season, then we're better there too!

I could not agree more we have be a great team in times gone by but that has been in short spells of two to three years but in very few years have been a bad team by this I mean religated or a soft team- easy beats.

We are much bigger than Saints and Wigan, we just haven't shown it yet. Sorted

The tit who started this thread is a wind up merchant. Until he started this tiresome thread, he'd only posted on the Wigan board trying to rile the simpletons on there. Blatantly a fan of another club (probably Wigan) designed to make us look like nobs. Working to a certain degree.

Ignore him and lock it.

and kill him.

The reason I don't post very often on here.

Good post, I'll second that. Lock it.

Actually it's not as crazy a thread as it sounds, it depends on the definition of what makes a "big" club. Saints have always been a club which has punched above its weight in that they have the history and success of a big club rather than having the biggest attendances, most money or best facilities. I don't think you could ever say they were a big club on the scale of Leeds or Wigan, and that goes even when Leeds weren't winning trophies. Considering they don't have a massive catchment area they have also been proportionately good at producing local youngsters so it is a real historic heartland of rugby league, which always amuses me when you see people on forums who complain on the one hand about rugby league "forgetting its roots" in places like Cumbria, and then on the other hand saying Saints should be kicked out for Super League because their ground is not good enough.....

When Peter Deakin came to Warrington in 1999 I remember reading an interview he did where he said Warrington has the second biggest potential of any club in rugby league after Leeds, because of its catchment area, the relative affluence of local areas of the population and so on, and Deakin called it right on this one, if you got a decent stadium at Warrington and took the time and effort to put work into the local schools you could tick all the boxes to make Warrington a big club, which over the last decade we have done. The final box which needed ticking before we could start to compete for trophies was getting in a top coach which we got in Tony Smith. So now, we should be in a position to cement ourselves as a consistent top club. A few years ago Hull looked like the most likely club to do this but it hasn't quite worked and the terms of their renting arrangement with the KC stadium don't help them.

So overall I don't think this thread needs to be treated as a purely points scoring one although no doubt it will attract the kind of thick illiterates that use the forum who will want to say mines' bigger than yours. Saints have never had some of the advantages that big clubs like Leeds and Wigan have but they have delivered a lot of success and produced a lot of young players so actually acknowledging that they aren't the biggest of clubs is a tribute to what St Helens have achieved. Much as we hate them for always beating us you can't get much purer RL history than Saints...