Quote ="Big lads mate"Today’s news looks like Halifax have got to an even lower point'" https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/treating ... rts-98400/ Indeed. They believe they have settled the debt to HMRC.

Quote ="Big lads mate"Today’s news looks like Halifax have got to an even lower point'" https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/treating ... rts-98400/ Indeed. They believe they have settled the debt to HMRC.

Quote ="Wires71"I don't understand. Leeds have registered the trademark with a rhino on it? https://www.therhinos.co.uk/the-club/brand-protection '" You've mis read my quote Wires71 Quote ="The Chin's Back" I can accept opposition fans calling us Whinos even though the club were never actually re branded as that unlike the Wildcats were '" Leeds were never re branded as Whinos, whereas Wakefield were rebranded as Wildcats

Quote ="Wires71"I don't understand. Leeds have registered the trademark with a rhino on it? https://www.therhinos.co.uk/the-club/brand-protection '" You've mis read my quote Wires71 Quote ="The Chin's Back" I can accept opposition fans calling us Whinos even though the club were never actually re branded as that unlike the Wildcats were '" Leeds were never re branded as Whinos, whereas Wakefield were rebranded as Wildcats

The Rhinos name evolved as Leeds RLFC (as they were known previously) used the Leeds coat of arms which featured three owls, a golden fleece, and a Latin motto, "Pro Rege et Lege" which translates to "For King and the Law". The owls come from the coat of arms of Sir John Saville, the first Alderman of Leeds. The fleece represents the city's wool industry.

Put simply they had no copyrights to the brand or the badge, So they took the step to become known as the "Leeds Rhinos"

Ironically,or not, the American sports teams with the monopoly on these stupid animal names appear to be consigning rugby league to holding on to poor quality tv coverage by getting our sport off the more mainstream tv channels.

So Wakey play in a part time league, win part time competitions and then get graded up for doing well. How does that work?

They’ve won the 1895 cup alongside the Championship grand final, they’ve significantly improved their facilities and significantly improved their financial position. It’s a well deserved grade increase.

I think "Wolves" is the most failed name of all the 90s SL rebrands.

Plenty of people do refer to the other teams as "the Rhinos", "the Bulls", "the Giants" etc.

Every now again someone who doesn't really follow rugby but knows I support Warrington will refer to "the Wolves" when making small talk with me, eg "are the Wolves playing this weekend?"

As said above, it just sounds weird. I've never heard anyone who genuinely supports us refer to us as anything other than the Wire/Wires, and other teams' fans call us that too. No one chants support for the Wolves, and no one calls us that.

The club tried for years to shake off the Wire nickname because they clearly wanted Wolves to stick for marketing purposes. Once they accepted that was never going to happen they should have done what Wakefield did.

Both played by part time teams if I'm not mistaken?

I guess I'm saying the system has rewarded them for being relegated. If they would've stayed up and battled with Hull and London for a year, would they have increased? Hull are likely to go down in grading, would they have gone up if they got relegated last year and won?

Not a specific dig at Wakey, their improvement off field is promising but I don't get how winning in a poorer league is "better" than losing in a tougher league.

I don't think it really matters what your actual score is other than getting you into Super League or not does it? Hull have a stadium and fan base that means they're always going to score high enough for that.

Wakefield scored higher than London in the first place, hence everyone knowing a year ago that Wakefield would probably get straight back to Super League and only restructuring to 14 teams could save London, regardless of either team's on field performance.

As it is, the fact that under normal P+R, London would have got relegated and Wakefield promoted makes it look a bit better. We all knew what was coming though.

So would you keep London in who have been nomads with their playing bases, and poor attendances and finished bottom of the league Philth ?, if it was straight relegation and promotion Wakefield would be in SL any way, so the gradings would not be nessesary, but as it is they have spent big regarding stadium issues and had the gonads to keep a full time squad, which could have easily back fired, a squad that would have beaten a few of the bottom half clubs in SL and with a bigger fan base, Wakefield didn't create IMG, but did their utmost on and off the field to achive the best grading that they could, we will have to see next season, if they are in SL, how they react.

So basically as we were in 2023.

1. St Helens. 17.02
2. Wigan Warriors, 16.91
3. Leeds Rhinos, 16.84
4. Warrington Wolves, 16.27
5. Hull KR, 15.97
6. Catalans Dragons, 15.52
7. Leigh Leopards, 15.13
8. Wakefield Trinity, 15.09
9. Castleford Tigers, 15.02
10. Hull FC, 14.51
11. Huddersfield Giants, 14.48
12. Salford Red Devils, 13.97

I don’t fully understand how it works or the behind the scenes but for the life of me can someone explain how Castleford are grade A

Some big changes from 2023.

the more you think about it, the more offensive it is

Salford only just scraped in. Lucky they've had a couple of good seasons on the field.

Not about London or Wakefield really, I'm questioning the process, those 2 are an example but throw Hull, Hudds and Salford in there. If there's 5 points for performance and Hudds get 2 for a crap season in Super League and Wakey get 5 for a good season in the league below, it doesn't feel like apples to apples comparison.


All a mute point because there's more on offer and the Wakey chairman has thrown some money and structure at the club.

Any banding that puts Hull FC in the same category as Workington Town is pointless.

On the plus side at least the other clubs know what they need to do to get into SL.

Understand your point, but the swings are not that extreme and Wakey don't get near 5 points. Only Wigan would have scored 5 points as they finished top (4 points), won the Grand final (0.75 points), and won the challenge cup (0.25 Points).

Wakey finished 10th, 12th and 13th in the last 3 years, so I would guess their points to be 3.131 2.781 for league position and +0.25 for Champ Grand Final and +0.1 for 1895 cup.

Huddersfield finished 3rd, 9th and 9th for last 3 years, so their points I think would be 3.314, so better than Wakeys.

Just to show the difference a team finishing 11th for 3 years would score 2.857, so Wakeys score has benefitted to being runaway winners due to them being full time, but then they have had an owner that has supported that financially with little to no central funding, they just got a little lucky as the likes of Featherstone and Toulouse aren't funding similar squads, but the benefit of that was only 0.35 points - though a benefit none the less.

It’s all an absolute load of cack….thats my scientific input.

Quote ="ratticusfinch"It’s all an absolute load of cack….thats my scientific input.'" https://www.rugby-league.com/article/37 ... p-with-img We are 2.5 years in to a 12 year plan. In that time, we have ended up with an identical league as 2023 and a paltry sports rights deal with Sky valued at < 50% of the previous deal, Magic weekend limps on. However we have seen RL on BBC, CH4 and every match on Sky (and resultant reduction in live game attendance). They have also changed the CC format in that we join a round earlier in 2025. Bit of a mixed bag.

Quote ="ratticusfinch"It’s all an absolute load of cack….thats my scientific input.'" https://www.rugby-league.com/article/37 ... p-with-img We are 2.5 years in to a 12 year plan. In that time, we have ended up with an identical league as 2023 and a paltry sports rights deal with Sky valued at < 50% of the previous deal, Magic weekend limps on. However we have seen RL on BBC, CH4 and every match on Sky (and resultant reduction in live game attendance). They have also changed the CC format in that we join a round earlier in 2025. Bit of a mixed bag.

Where can I find a breakdown of the points awarded by category?

Its up to the clubs to release them - I don't think we did last time, so not expecting to again.

The key sentence is your first one IMO.

I don't think IMG had anything to do with the current TV deal. In terms of Magic Weekend and Loop fixtures, IMG wanted to get rid of both - a popular view I think for most fans, but the clubs overruled it.

I think we have seen evidence of clubs progressing, off the field, which is why the gradings were put in. I'd imagine we will see these gradings tweaked as we go through the years, to drive further improvements. We have two clubs in much better positions in terms of ownership (Wakey & Cas) with Hull FC rumoured to have new investment also. Whether its coincidence it has happened following IMG's arrival I'm not sure.