All these posts simply reinforcing my earlier argument on this forum, that relegation is an outdated system & that we need to change to 3-5 yearly licensing system, allowing both new and existing SL clubs the certainty to be able to plan properly for the future.

A licensing syatem is fine, but there have to be conditions and failure to meet them must result in expulsion. One of the conditions should be mandatory reserve team, the other should be scrutiny of annual accounts and the other should be mandatory minimum spend on marketing.

Otherwise, clubs simply tread water safe fron relegation but with no desire or intent to improve themselves or the competition.

We did licensing already. People got fed up and complained there were to many dead rubbers, so they got rid of it, and if we reintroduce it the same will happen.

Toulouse or London for me. I still think we need a Southern based club, but Toulouse would help the game in France.
I know Fev are a traditional team but I don’t see what they add to SL. Bratfurt have been in administration rather too often for my liking. Leigh, similar to Fev.

How are you comparing Leigh to Fev?

Traditional team, not sure what they would add to SL. I have nothing against Leigh but still think we need to expand. I realise this is hurtful and if our roles were reversed I would be outraged. Sorry.

The game is on its knees, and you want to expand? Do you know what mess TWP have just caused? BTW - Your post is not hurtful at all,it's plain daft.

I'm not advocating Toulouse over Leigh but to use your insightful comment comparing Toulouse to Toronto is plain daft.

Do they play Rugby League in the south of France is it 3500 miles away would they have a ready made local derby?

Im not sure how the TV cake would be cut with then in compared to you or London and I get that you are a well supported club that brings plenty of fans to perhaps compensate for a reduced share but Toulouse isn't Toronto (rightly kicked out imo) and if it was a short term fix before we hopefully return to some form of normality why not take a bold gamble?

This is very different to Toronto. I’d say Catalan have been a success since their inclusion, the reason that worked and Toronto didn’t (yet) is because the roots were already there. Toulouse will grow in the SL competition, and I think we would see more French players playing the game at a professional level over time. They also I believe have everything in place to give it a shot.

On Leigh’s side, it would probably be an easier and safer decision to put them in in some regards. There is a money man there, they will pay to the cap most likely and away fans will certainly be up, especially for the NW teams, so there is a more obvious financial benefit to having Leigh in the comp.

For me Leigh have had a couple of goes at SL and not made it, I’d like Toulouse to have a shot, that’s nothing against Leigh, I just see more potential for Rugby League if we offer it to Toulouse. The possibility of a French TV deal, no matter how small should be incentive enough.

For me the order is Toulouse - London - Leigh.

I think whatever we do we need to first ask the question 'is it sustainable ?'. There is no point in promoting a club to SL only to see them drop out one or two years later. For me, that means

A strong financial backer
A good quality stadium of around 15,000 located centrally to a large population area
Two - three years guaranteed in SL
Feeder clubs and a youth academy already established

I fully understand that Championship supporters wan't their team to get into SL, but the chances of them staying there need to be reasonably high. And there is little enough money in SL for us to squander it with a poorly argued case for inclusion, regardless of how passionate the supporters may be or how strong their current team may be.

This is the problem, there is no ideal solution to this. Licensing gives better financial security and you have a lever to drive clubs in the right way. As others have said make it a requirement for each club to run its own scholarship / academy programme and a reserves team. Make growth of the local amateur game a requirement, minimum salary cap spend etc etc. It also gives clubs financial security to plan for the future. BUT you are correct, there will always be a sense of dead rubbers from some games as the season progresses. There’s no real way round that, unless franchises were taken away for consistent bottom of the table league positions.

On P&R there is excitement right to the last weekend - I’m sure sky would prefer it, so there is a strong case to run that model if your biggest financial partner would prefer it. However for me it promotes short term thinking of teams like Salford not running an academy set up and I don’t believe the game is strong enough to support those clubs dropping down to the Championship. The relegation of teams can cause serious financial problems, usually meaning the team has to go part time - that isn’t good for development.

I’d much rather a P&R model, I just don’t think the game is strong enough to support it. So in the medium term I’d advocate a format that allowed the teams the chance to stabilise from Covid and grow. Review after a few years and remove those that are bottom of the pile each year if it is happening.

The strategic thinking behind licensing is that teams should be added every few years, to the point we can support two professional competitions, a SL 1 and SL 2 if you like. But we are a long way from that. So let’s look to add a new club to the top table when finances (TV deal) allows it.

In post apolyptical World my preference would be a 14 team league based on merit obviously on the basis that its sustainable and so is the league below so that we can have a sport with jeopardy without the need for loop fixtures and convoluted structural changes every other year.

Toulouse Leigh and London would fit that model