Please tell me, how long have you been involved in middle management.

I don't think I've ever read a bigger load of corporate BULL5H1T in my entire life.

Please tell me you have your tongue firmly in your cheek. I can't honestly tell, as I have a belly full of Wainwright's in me, and I need my bed.

Night, night folks

I don't have my tongue in my cheek. Yeah last Friday was a bit embarrassing but what is it in the big picture?just one game in the season, that's all. The end to the game at HKR away was the same and people weren't banging on about that all week after. If we'd not ed up the end to that game we wouldn't have even needed a point against Wigan last friday as we'd already have won the LLS (which doesn't really mean much anyway).

I was sick for months after losing the 2013 GF and I've actually not felt the same about the sport since to be honest. I won't until we lift that trophy with the big 'S' on it. That was a total heart breaker, a proper sickener.

Last Friday wasn't, it wasn't anywhere near that!

We could have won last Friday - but with Currie and Westwood out, both halfbacks unfit, no wingers, a lack of pace and power in our props and a full back who turns up one week then may as well not have bothered turning up the week after (damning for the rest of the competition that a team with those shortcomings could have been in with a shout for all three trophies this season!) - and not won the GF and last Friday would have meant absolutely nowt! I would still not be happy because of 2013 because we haven't won the big one. Hubcap in the cabinet [meaning very little] or not.

Same goes for this week. If we win at Hull but don't lift the Super League trophy I will not particularly care a jot that we won the league ladder.

What last Friday could have done, like I say, is hit home with the board and made them think on about a few players/coaches/the coach. That could end up being a good thing.

Monday, April 20th, 1981 will always be in my memory. All we needed was to beat Leigh & we would be the League winners.
Alas things fell apart & we lost to a Des Drummond try

Psych,
The thing about the GF defeat was that outside influences (dirty tackling by the goons was tolerated by the officials) turned the match.
Friday was totally down to us.
That's what's really got to me. We turned victory to defeat. Not Wigan.

Yes - afraid so, but more annoyed with our performance.

One game though. Why are we throwing in the towel, over reacting and giving up on the team because of one game?

But it's not one game, is it. As I've alluded to, many times this week, we have a habit of bottling it/throwing away huge leads, not only this season, but in our recent past, too.

We look like we have no answer, when somone has the temerity to eat into a big lead.

If we had of won last Friday then this thread wouldn't exist. This thread, especially the opening post is with reference to last weeks Wigan game, is it not?

A point off finishing top and a game away from the Grand Final, it's hardly the end of the world is it? We've got issues I agree, but we've improved massively on the last two seasons and things have been worse, much worse, regardless of how we all felt last Friday.

Yes, it may well end up being the same old story and we fluff our lines once again. We'll probably get turned over tomorrow and the odds are against us for when we go to Wigan, but how about we get behind the boys and give them our support for another couple of games at least?

You could well be right the thread may not have existed had we won, but we didn't win and not only that we threw away victory after being in a commanding position and it's happened numerous times and it's actually becoming a habit.. Last Friday, The Challenge cup final, Cas at the magic weekend.. Those are just from this season off the top of my head...
You have to understand that stuff like that really grates on people and for a lot of Wire fans it felt like the last straw..
You know that every Wire fan will be right behind the boys tomorrow night , the playoffs and beyond.. But if things aren't right we are going to discuss it on here..

One game - Come off it? Look at the facts.

Last 3 league games

Wigan - Lost 2nd half 12-21
Widnes - Lost 2nd half 10-12
Catalans - Lost 2nd half 8-22

More tellingly the recent big games. (Ive now added Magic 2016)

CCFinal 2016 - Lost 2nd half 6-12, ahead at HT, lost game
Magic 2016 - Lost 2nd half 0-22, ahead at HT, lost game
SL SF 2014 - Drew 2nd half, lost game.
SL GF 2013 - Lost 2nd half 0-24, ahead at HT, lost game
SL GF 2012 - Lost 2nd half 4-12, ahead at HT, lost game
SL SF 2011 - Lost 2nd half 12-20, ahead at HT, lost game

The omens are clearly not good if we are not unassailably ahead by half time.



Are these them? Our inability to win big games when we are ahead at HT? The Wigan game rubbed salt into the wound as they were down to 12 men for 20 mins. The backlash is justified.

And if my aunty had a pair of plums swinging about between her thighs, she would be my uncle.

Anyway, 0945 train to Hull for mine, best shake a leg!

You can add the magic weekend to that also. Although a standard league game, it's played under the spotlight as if it were a cup game.

Would any other coach survive those damming results? TS has the comfort of sitting in his position as an untouchable becase of winning 3 CC in 4 years with a team initially built by Paul Cullen.

I had my fill a couple of years ago.
I'd be happy to see him gone even if we won the GF. However we are capable of winning what I consider to be the easiest SL LLS ever. The competition was weaker after injury and departed players rocked chances from Leeds and Huddersfield early on.

Added. Yes I was a bit shocked when I compiled the list. Definitely a trend we have there.

The reason I still back Smith, although not as fervent as I once was, is that before him we never even had the big games. One thing Smith can have undoubted credit for is turning us into a team that make finals regularly under his tenure. Before Smith the last final we made was the Regal Trophy in 1995, the last time we won one was the same trophy in 1991. Cullen's team you say? Well Smith did better with it than Cullen ever did.

I agree with you Wires71 in terms of backing Smith, but my patience is wearing thin.

Someone recently compared him to Arsene Wenger on here. I think that's a pretty good comparison from where I am sitting. Not from a spending money perspective, but in terms of his apparent belligerence. Us Fans always think they have all the right answers and rarely are we right in reality, but at the moment, it's plain as day to anyone and his dog that Russell and Evans on the wing is such a terrible option when we have 2 designated wingers sat in the reserves. Yes we don't know the behind the scenes goings on with either player and it's not as if we have 2 modern day Bevan's sat in the stands, but sometimes you just have to work with what you have for the benefit of the here and now.

Frustrating is the word.