I can see us Widnes doing the double over u again this year We have got a little stronger while u have got a little weaker and well we all know what happened last year .only time will tell. Have the wheels fell of at warrington

This. Can't remember the last time we started a season at full pelt (I actually remember seeing a quote in the last week or so from someone, possibly TS, admitting we wouldn't be starting at our best) and we've got plenty of time to get it right. Some of the reactions on here are well over the top.

Saddened makes a good point, hearing that bench announced was what hit me. 12 months ago we had seasone internationals coming off the bench and making an impact, that wasn't the case last night and it really told with the way Saints completely controlled the ruck and made us play the entire 80 minutes at their pace. Things like attacking football can be relatively easy worried but I think the lack of power up front will cause us headaches all season.

Another disappointment for me was the way that nobody really stood up to lead from the front. Waterhouse ran his blood to water in the first half but that's probably it. The heads went down way too early and there was nobody attempting to get them back up which should not be happening in round one.

In a nutshell, simply not good enough. I get that it's a long season etc but for me you should never accept a performance like that against local rivals. Leeds will be one heck of a challenge but if we can address the above I think it will do wonders RL go there and earn a bit of respect.

Never dull!

it is an indication of the performance level that Waterhouse was our best player. That never happens!

The thing that really irked me last night was the lack of effort/fitness. When we had the ball we were almost stood still and passing the ball along a stationary line until a gang of saints players came in and jumped on the ball carrier....

then when saints had the ball, we stood still waiting for the opposition to run at us... You can excuse poor performance, but you cant excuse lack of effort... every side in superleague (apart from maybe London) would have beaten us last night

Saints played the game like it was a play off eliminator.. we played the game like no one cared about the result....It was a very very poor display... God help us when we play someone decent.

God help us when we play some team not decent too!

That performance was relegation football standard. Smith said we competed in the first half.
what was he watching, the Winter Olympics?

It really makes me laugh when the s on here are moaning and writing the team off after one game, these are the same people moaning about the fact that the league games dont matter and the season only starts in September, the same people that critisise every player for not being fully fit in February when the season doesnt start til September. We are playing the game and we will be one of if not the best team in the league at the end of the season again. Five players out that would be ib our starting 17. "Weak Bench"? Try putting Wood, Harrison, England, Russel and Grix on the bench and we look good as one of them will miss out.
Have your winge and get it out of your system as people may remind you of it in a few months time.

To be fair, i love a good moan

We were very poor last night, saints hit the ground running, we just hit the ground.

Just a couple of comments.

What on earth is M Monaghan doing at half back ? I thought Paul Cullen proved that wasn't a good idea. Is it some sort of loyalty by TS ?

It looks as if Riley is playing himself out of the team. His defence is woeful.

I think Dwyer should be brought in with MM moving down. He is obviously past his best.

Ratchford was poor last night, out of position time after time.

Tony Smith has been worshipped on here as a god. Now is a really good time for him to prove his coaching skills.

From an outsider looking in I thought your halves struggled due to your pack being completely dominated when Hill and Asotasi went off. Even with them on you struggled to make any kind of platform. As a result you went from side to side and the Sts aggressive defence had time to shut you down (All credit to saints). It is $hit playing in the halves behind a beaten pack as set structure goes out the window and plays become slow and predictable.

Some poor ref decisions didn't help either like but thats par for the course isn't it.

You'll still be up there though come the end of the season I have no doubt.