According to Rovers fans,we are "Dads Army."
Not a bad result for some fogeys.

Fair summary. The relative energy levels in the second half surprised me a bit - looked like you were the ones who'd played a draining derby on Friday rather than us. Tickle, Dowes and Fitz have played a shedload of minutes for us over the weekend and I think the result was simply down to us wanting it more today.

I've just put exactly that on another thread, you'd think we had been in a derby game on Friday.

I think we were just dumb today, to be honest. To win the game we had to almost go pack v pack and just let the openings present themselves, kick and compete over & over, we just lacked patience. Almost back our pack, against what I think when all fit might be the best pack in the league (one of anyhow).

Massive credit to Hull, did all the little things better.

so wigan aint got any players on the wrong side of the 30s then apart from fieldon , deacon , roberts , carmont , coley ..... didnt think so jog on

No I think we are aware that players will need replacing, although its not like the whole side will retire together. But remember we were top of the league going into today and have beaten the SL champions Wigan twice on their own park in the last two meetings between the sides....so the faith is not misplaced.

I remember an ageing Wigan pack, under Mike Gregory, with Craig Smith, Pongia, Terry O'Connor and Cassidy in it, getting to the Grand Final...unfortunately Wigan recruited badly for a few years after that and went downhill, so we have to get the recruitment decisions right.

May I respectfully suggest that attacking your own line really is a reason to panic?

The forward pass decision from the Briers break was crucial, RL is all about momentum, and we would have had it then. I'm not sure if it was a good/ball call, I just thought straight away that line breaks from us had been so sparce and it would have been a great time with circa 10 mins left to score, really boost our energy levels and really ask Hull to dig deep.

We have beaten for the third time by a team that matched (bettered?) us for physical presence and by a game-plan that consisted of playing very narrow around the ruck and carrying the ball back against the ruck into the hole that is consistently left by our second marker not holding position. Very basic from Hull but they were prepared to be patient and wait for our mistakes and for a couple of gifts from the officials. On the other hand, we lacked composure and were not prepared to build pressure.

I think Agar has been watching a replay of the Huddersfield game from a few weeks ago. On the other hand, they may have just played that way that due to the absence of Long as they hardy used a pivot all game. Not sure which is the real reason!

Ok, I must have gone to a different game to most posters, but what I saw, the better team won. To blame the ref, fair enough. Nothing wrong with Westwood's try, but the pass for our 1st try was a yard forward.

The facts are Fitzgimmon was mom by a country mile, Whiting( out of position was excellent), Gleeson was solid in defense and Obst ran the midfield. We had westwood (as usual) and the rest stayed in Salford.

Sorry to burst some bubbles, but our side is not championship material. Just open your eyes.

It was the correct call. However this was virtually the only forward pass in the whole game that Thaler called. The amount that both he, and in particular the touch judges, missed or ignored today was appalling.

Not making excuses however. as the title of the thread states the better team won today.

And Craig Fitzgibbon is as much a freak of nature as Benny Westwood. If you had these 2 on the same team you wouldnt need anymore forwards.

Fitz is an absolute machine, the guy is a great example to any young player, he run his guts out every week makes 40-50 tackles a game aswell as numerous hitups and he's a born leader it's been a pleasure to watch him at Hull for two years and will be near impossible to replace imo.

you havent burst my bubble pal I'm living the Feckin dream....

2nd in the league, holders for the last two years of the most famous trophy in the game, have the best attack in the league by some distance and have the second best defence in the league.
have pots of money to buy anyone we bleedin well like and growing our ground because weve got loads of bandwagoners rolling in by the week.....

We're and we know we are
We're and we know we are....

come on .....jump in....

If I was daft enough to buy the DVD of today's game, I'm pretty sure that I'd find that Thaler didn't get much wrong.
Sure, he missed a couple of forward passes (excuse me, but aren't touch judges actually supposed to do something, other than stick their flags up, when the ball goes into touch), but some of the South Stand's appeals for forward passes were embarrasing (I thought I'd been transported to the touchline stand at Knowsley Rd). They plainly weren't forward, but that filthy Carlsberg, must be affecting some speccies eyesight. Same again for knock ons, one of their dropped balls went 2 yards backwards (and the player was facing his own posts), and pondlife corner goes into Fukushima nuclear meltdown.

This game (especially in the second half) was a carbon copy of the Hudds game. Forced passes with 30+mins to go, when we are only trailing by two points, is suicide. Constantly giving the ball away on the 1st and 2nd tackle is, again, suicide.
Our forwards were so far off the pace today, it was laughable.
Hull destroyed us down the middle, Fitzgibbon especially
Well done Hull, by far the better side.

Oh, and last point, the treatment of Gleeson today was dreadfull. Yes, we needed to make it difficult for him, but the abuse he took, for a player who NEVER let us down, was out of order. He left us 2 years ago, and played for another club in the meantime. Contrast this to Hull,'s treatment of Carvell who left Hull for here...there wasn't a peep from them.

But Hull FC aren't small time.

Who said they were, Pie muncher????????????????? Not I

I think you miss the point...

I think Ben Thaler had a shocker. There was a certain amount of desperation from the south stand at times. I know which knock on you are talking about and as I was at half way I though it looked stone wall knock on but I quickly calmed down. Where Ben Thaler missed a lot (or maybe it is the TJ again) was the number of times Hull's line looked like a banana and the times they were blatantly offside. That was a shame today.The touch judges today were really really poor. I was embarrassed for them at times.

Agree it was a copy off the hudds game. It isn't the only time we have been in that mindset too. I don't know whether The coaching staff are focussing on it for improvement but it looks like we have developed a nasty habit. It is a kick in the teeth that we can't play free flowing rugby unless we have so much dominance. We have great forwards on paper but too many times this year they haven't turned up. I thought the Hull team (Fitzgibbon) were pulling a few Briers moments on the floor, but not the end of the world.

I think most of the south stand would agree with what you are saying about Gleeson and that is probably why there was only on good chant at him and some boos at the start of the game. I'd like to think it was good fun but maybe some took it too far. I would hope most realised he was once PnB and it is only a game at the end of the day.

We were poor all over the pitch our line speed in defence was rubbish we just stood there and allowed Hull to run at us,not to take anything away from Hull who were just the better team on the day I would prefer to get all of our rubbish displays out of the way now rather than at the end of the season !
Thaler was a joke but what ref's aren't so cant blame him ! it was another one of those flat performances which IMO can still be attributed to resting players for the Catalans game which IMO is where we lost our momentum Winning is a habit and we seem to have lost it !

I think the Wigan fan is trying to imply that our fans are small time.

You're right Padders, I know what you're getting at, I agree, we missed Bridge.

Gleeson has given them a lift by signing, agreed. But with respect to Hull, they didn't need to do anything complicated to beat us yesterday. Gleeson rarely touched the ball for a start.

And I'm not one to take anything away from a triumphant opposition, ie, I was quick to throw praise at both Hudds and Catalan for their victories over us. Yesterday we just offered Hull the two points gift-wrapped.

The way I saw it was that you were getting nothing out of our pack so you panicked and tried to throw it wide at every opportunity which is where the errors came. Had you stuck to your game plan the chances may have presented themselves (unless that was your plan, who knows?) but the forward pass aside you didn't look like scoring in the second half. Hull just bossed the midfield and for once our kicking game was decent.

The way you responded to going behind was to do what we normally do and that is try to score on every set, when simply completing and kicking well will present you with try scoring opportunities.

We were nothing special yesterday, we just played a simple game at a high intensity and your forwards couldn't match it.

Pretty much how I saw it.

We lacked the patience and we should have backed our pack all the way. Also, you had Tom Briscoe, we didn't. Our 'ace in the pack' Monas, just didn't play well yesterday, so we were out trumped.

Not how I saw it at all. Hull were shattered in the second half and were there for the taking. We were containing them comfortably when they had the ball, we just kept giving it back to them via penalties, chargedowns and then dropping it early in our tackle count. When we did keep the ball for a few tackles, we were making plenty of yards and loads of breaks. But then we played panic rugby and threw wild passes and daft offloads.

We actually beat ourselves. If we'd cut out the mistakes and the panic rugby, I think we'd have won easy.