Robust punditry, a robust stomach was required to enter those bogs in the first place!

Yes the newer generation of Wire fans think they've got something to complain about with not winning Grand Finals, at least they don't have to worry about what shoes to wear for the match because the soles were going to stink of urine for the next 3 days after paddling about in the Fletcher Street gents.

Then in the early 2000s they started giving out those player cards which compounded the problem as all the drains were blocked up with people peeing on Steve McCurrie, Dean Busby or whoever.

It's the manner in which you win. It's all very well and good scraping a win and saying people need to lighten up we got the 2 points and that's all that matters but its not.

another team would have beaten us and we're very lucky Toronto didn't. It was too close after a good first half.

Yes we got the win but in the real world, playing like we did will see us drop more points than we pick up and that's a fact. After a big win Vs Saints and then to back it up with a loss to Wakey and a scrappy win against Toronto is not good enough.

We took the 2 points twice to try and win the game against a team of rejects and championship players. That is absolutely shocking for a team that includes 9 current and ex England internationals, 4 England Kinghts, 1 former England RU International and 2 Tongan Internationals. Absolutely shocking and shows us exactly where we are as far as our attack is being coached.

Yes getting the Win is good but that's short term. looking at the long term this team needs a rocket up its backside or we'll be walking away with nothing (again) this season.

Can you remember any of the names of those involved in the "confrontation of Rodwell".
Do you recognise these names cropping up time & time again on this forum? Were "Karetaker", "Wires71" and the wonderfully named "Moving On" enjoying a "Sit in" ... back in the day?

The game to which SC refers resulted in a throng of about 50-100 fans gathered around the players entrance after the game angrily chanting "if you want our money show your face" directed to the board. The fans demanded action and were livid. We had just lost 7 from 8 at the start of the season.

However the game was against London on 30th April 2002, a Friday night, a game we lost 14-28. We were sitting 12th in the league.

Following that game Plange was appointed and we won against the odds at Hull 19-16 which was our last game at the Boulevard. People forget that it was actually that period under Plange that contributed to our SL survival. And, of course as you will know, this forum did not exist then as we used Wolfweb on which I was a member with the same moniker.

I attended both those games. I did not witness the Rodwell incident.

I was also there for the Castleford game monday night "sit in" 26/5/2008 Round 15 where we managed to lose 28-36 after being 12 points ahead with 20 minutes to go. Interestingly we lost 16-2 to Wakefield a few weeks prior.

I watched Warrington avidly at home and most aways games from about 1978 to 2010, so I am bound to have been at the eventful games.

Thanks for the response. Like it.

Yeah but we won a challenge cup mate so it's all good you should be happy just because if that it's more than we had won for the previous 20 odd years so we have no real reason to be unhappy at the below standard performances we put in weeknin week out aside from "the big games" in which the players put a tad more effort in m. You can rest assured against Leeds we will see similar performance as we did against Wigan and saints yet complete mediocracy against wakey Salford and Co. Poor team attitude is our downfall more than ability

Of course you have the option to "ignore" posters within a forum so you never need to read them again. They would probably prefer that to being insulted, derided and ridiculed for expressing a view. You can also make your point without personal insults or slurs on peoples character especially when you consider you do not know the people involved.

Furthermore how do you know those people to which you refer, but do not have the decency to name, have never played Rugby League?

In closing the irony of moaning about moaning is not lost.

Stop being so negative. We have a wonderful coach who has delivered a Challenge Cup win and we are learning all the time. The problems we have just require a quick fix. Our form is just a blip. Keep the faith. WTID.

Not like you to be factually incorrect SC. Did you attend the London game on the Monday night in question?

It should have been a world heritage site.

It would help moderate the tone if the phase 'Happy Clappers' were banned by the mods.

Those of us who don't bitch about every single performance are not 'happy', we're just looking at the bigger picture. No club, no matter how rich or well resourced, has a right to win SL, there are simply too many variables. We should be doing all we can to win SL, and I think we are. If Steve Price proves incapable of winning it, the board will replace him. However, this season we have played four games, looked very good in two, poor in one and bang average in the fourth. That is not sackable form.

Messrs Moran and Middleton are not going to accept season-after-season without the SL trophy, but they can't guarantee a winning side no matter what they spend, and it is absolutely fair to point out that adopting an 'anyone is better than Price' stance on the coach is clearly nonsense. In fact, you could argue that is how we got Steve Price, because 'anyone was better than Tony Smith'.

Completely agree. Calling people "happy clappers" for their view is as bad as calling people "sad and boring" or "twisted" for theirs.

A forum is a place to exchange views without need for personal insults. If one cannot make a point without an insult then perhaps the point lacks the substance, or the author the eloquence, to make it.

The following 27 members have made a critical post concerning Price and/or club on this thread, they are the overwhelming number of contributors. Who are the few "twisted and bitter" members to which you are referring? Or do you wish to withdraw your personal comment on the mental characteristics of others?

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-RLIMR
-DizzyHeights
-sally cinnamon (would appoint Wane 100%)
-rubber duckie (he can go for me)
-Lord Tony Smith
-Jack Napier
-ratticusfinch
-MannyWire
-Wires71
-sir adrian morley
-karetaker
-morleys_deckchair (we could be doing alot better thean steve price)
-DAG (Should’ve gone at the end of the season)
-MPhil12 (I said at the end of last season that you had to get rid of Price)
-Snaggletooth (Sticking with Price will bring nothing but gloom to the fans on a weekly basis. Time for change for me)
-lefty goldblatt (The fella's out of his depth, and (imo, we've hired a dud).
-morrisseyisawire (ets throw money at a coach for a change. Ward or Wane (PT) please)
-moving on...
-Damienc (Based of last year for me he should have gone regardless of the Challenge Cup)
-Captain Hook (Personally I would have sought a new coach for this season
-Longbarn Wire ( I for one hope the rumor earlier in the thread about Price being put on notice until Easter is true..)
-the flying biscuit (each season seems to get more desperate.....despite a sprinkling of finals....)
-CW8 (it feels like a write off already as things stand)
-Wirefan (financial power of Chelsea, business acumen and ambition of Newcastle Utd)
-Winslade's Offload (the Board should be looking to sign a top class coach from the NRL for next year)
-MorePlaymakersNeeded (We've had such a period of poor performances, we need something to change in the coaching and captaincy departments.)
-easyWire (Yes we do have a serial losers (well, Bridemaids) mentality

Yes. Were you one of those true fans that were leaving the games blindly clapping along and saying "oh well, they tried their best. There's always next week/month/year/century."

Question. Do you genuinely believe this current playing group is being trained to the best possible standard and that the players are playing to their full ability?

or do you think they are coached to an ok standard and that most the squad plays at about 80%?