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The government strategy has now changed after they received a report ( modelling) from Imperial which basically pointed out that on the current infection rate the NHS would need 'many times' the number of intensive care beds that they currently had in place leading to 'excess mortality' as experienced in Italy. Is this the first detailed piece of work to try and estimate the NHS capacity ?
Anyway, rather than now trying to flatten the infection curve they will try and drastically reduce the numbers that are getting infected (Suppression). Hence all the much stricter social distancing announced yesterday ( pubs, restaurants, theatres etc). So now we will see a smaller peak of infections followed by a drop ( to allow the NHS to recover their available bed numbers), followed by another increase in infections as they relax the social distancing. I don't know how many bumps they anticipate we will go through.
The upside is that they should save a lot more lives but the downside is it will obviously take a lot longer to get through the outbreak. That will certainly hit our businesses and economy. In order to soften this blow the government announced today a lot more money in the form of grants and loans (100's of £billions).
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronav ... n-response |
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The government strategy has now changed after they received a report ( modelling) from Imperial which basically pointed out that on the current infection rate the NHS would need 'many times' the number of intensive care beds that they currently had in place leading to 'excess mortality' as experienced in Italy. Is this the first detailed piece of work to try and estimate the NHS capacity ?
Anyway, rather than now trying to flatten the infection curve they will try and drastically reduce the numbers that are getting infected (Suppression). Hence all the much stricter social distancing announced yesterday ( pubs, restaurants, theatres etc). So now we will see a smaller peak of infections followed by a drop ( to allow the NHS to recover their available bed numbers), followed by another increase in infections as they relax the social distancing. I don't know how many bumps they anticipate we will go through.
The upside is that they should save a lot more lives but the downside is it will obviously take a lot longer to get through the outbreak. That will certainly hit our businesses and economy. In order to soften this blow the government announced today a lot more money in the form of grants and loans (100's of £billions).
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I bet Israel Folau is unbearable, now
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| Quote: sir adrian morley "Just been listening to the bafoon who wants to close pubs clubs restaurants etc to curb the spread of the virus...but I've got to go to work where I'm in contact with 150 plus other mugs...hypocrite springs to mind...stroll on Friday 4 pm I'm off to local thru back door for a well earned beer...suck on that doris'"
Enjoy your pint matey. You'll be fine ... what difference can one individual make. You probably won't feel a bit guilty or even know if you pass it on to some unlucky person.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "Enjoy your pint matey. You'll be fine ... what difference can one individual make. You probably won't feel a bit guilty or even know if you pass it on to some unlucky person.
Look after yourself you deserve it.'"
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My parents are both in their mid 70’s and in reasonable health + they’ve stated they will not be looking at four walls for three months despite their sons advice + who am I to tell them what do as bit late for that now.
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| Quote: runningman29 "My parents are both in their mid 70’s and in reasonable health + they’ve stated they will not be looking at four walls for three months despite their sons advice + who am I to tell them what do as bit late for that now.'"
Good for them...some of the young who think they know better know sod all..wish I knew em I'd buy them several drinks...sense talking at last |
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| Quote: ninearches "Listening to & reading about the symptoms of coronavirus ,i think the wife & myself may already have had it. It started the week before Christmas & lasted till well into February ,head,chest ,stiff & painful joints & muscles. We came through ok even with underlying health issues ,although i'm still full of catarrh.'"
There are a lot saying that. There was a bad cold/flu/chest infection type virus about at Christmas, I remember everyone at work moaning about it. I was really annoyed by it because I knew I'd catch it for the Christmas break and I was moaning at them all for continuing to come into work, only to sit with their hand in their hands moaning about how ill they were and do no work anyway.
There are tons of other viruses and illnesses that could cause those symptoms though. It's possible you just had regular flu. But it is possible as they traced the first case back to 17th November. It is possible it spread earlier than expected. |
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| Quote: sir adrian morley "Cheers will do and I have'"
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The government now know how many critical care beds it has available.
From the number of people that are infected each day it is relatively easy to predict how many people will be infected in say 6 weeks time.
From the numbers infected you also know how many will need to be hospitalised (and need ventilators).
At the moment the infection rate is too high and will result in more people needing hospitalisation than there are beds available. So the only solution is to slow the infection rate down by reducing social mixing ie visits to cinema, restaurants, pubs, closing schools etc. If that doesn't work you can guess their next step will be to enforce a complete lock down.
What they are trying to avoid is a situation where two urgent cases are admitted to hospital but they only have one bed left. One is say an 80 year old man, the other is a 70 year old lady. So they decide to leave the older man on a trolley and make him comfortable, whilst the younger lady is given oxygen and the ventilator.
We all need to think very carefully about what we do over the coming weeks and limit the opportunity for the virus to spread rapidly. |
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| Quote: Winslade's Offload "SAM
The government now know how many critical care beds it has available.
From the number of people that are infected each day it is relatively easy to predict how many people will be infected in say 6 weeks time.
From the numbers infected you also know how many will need to be hospitalised (and need ventilators).
At the moment the infection rate is too high and will result in more people needing hospitalisation than there are beds available. So the only solution is to slow the infection rate down by reducing social mixing ie visits to cinema, restaurants, pubs, closing schools etc. If that doesn't work you can guess their next step will be to enforce a complete lock down.
What they are trying to avoid is a situation where two urgent cases are admitted to hospital but they only have one bed left. One is say an 80 year old man, the other is a 70 year old lady. So they decide to leave the older man on a trolley and make him comfortable, whilst the younger lady is given oxygen and the ventilator.
We all need to think very carefully about what we do over the coming weeks and limit the opportunity for the virus to spread rapidly.'"
I have listened pal and it does seem to be gathering pace so we will be acting responsibly.. |
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| Quote: sir adrian morley "Good for them...some of the young who think they know better know sod all..wish I knew em I'd buy them several drinks...sense talking at last'"
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| Quote: Winslade's Offload "
What they are trying to avoid is a situation where two urgent cases are admitted to hospital but they only have one bed left. One is say an 80 year old man, the other is a 70 year old lady. So they decide to leave the older man on a trolley and make him comfortable, whilst the younger lady is given oxygen and the ventilator.
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Once the younger people who are still going out start getting infected in large numbers, there will inevitably be some younger people getting complications.
So in your situation there, when the 25 year old who develops pneumonia comes in they would be likely given priority, they will be instagramming a pic from their hospital bed with their mask doing the victory sign, [istuff got real....ended up in ICU omg lol #corona #pandemic #liveforthemoment[/i and watch the likes and messages of goodwill come in from their followers, meanwhile the 70 year old lady is left on a trolley outside with the 80 year old man. |
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I'm not going to belittle this outbreak. People need to be sensible and behave in an appropriate manner, which should be the case whenever there is a serious virus around and also in general life - I'm still bemused at the amount of people who obviously never washed their hands before this blew up.
HOWEVER, the one thing that is definitely boiling my urine over this virus, is the general over reaction in the media, which I believe has contributed massively to the whole panic that has ensued.
With this in mind and seeing that most on here are old enough to give an answer, I have to ask the question about what would have been the reaction had this happened in pre Internet days?
Seeing that in 1989, 60% of the population caught flu and 26000 people died, yet nobody batted an eyelid, never mind postponed a rugby or football match?
Again, I'm not suggesting we ignore what is happening and we obviously need a concerted effort to keep things under control, but is it possible that many have simply become hysterical, after being fed a constant stream of doom online and on the TV and we are taking things out of proportion with talk of total lockdowns and army on the streets?
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I'm not going to belittle this outbreak. People need to be sensible and behave in an appropriate manner, which should be the case whenever there is a serious virus around and also in general life - I'm still bemused at the amount of people who obviously never washed their hands before this blew up.
HOWEVER, the one thing that is definitely boiling my urine over this virus, is the general over reaction in the media, which I believe has contributed massively to the whole panic that has ensued.
With this in mind and seeing that most on here are old enough to give an answer, I have to ask the question about what would have been the reaction had this happened in pre Internet days?
Seeing that in 1989, 60% of the population caught flu and 26000 people died, yet nobody batted an eyelid, never mind postponed a rugby or football match?
Again, I'm not suggesting we ignore what is happening and we obviously need a concerted effort to keep things under control, but is it possible that many have simply become hysterical, after being fed a constant stream of doom online and on the TV and we are taking things out of proportion with talk of total lockdowns and army on the streets?'"
I agree I was shocked at the BBC interviewing an NHS worker where they where complaining about lack of safety equipment.
According to the BBC the NHS workers only had the standard face mask and a paper apron instead of a full hazmat suit...!!!
there is no such thing as a paper apron for a start as they are clearly plastic and disposable. and that was the picture they showed on the news..
so why should we believe anything they churn out if they are trying to panic us into believing that vital NHS staff are wearing paper uniforms...
still some left over BBC bull from Brexit I guess |
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