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| Quote: Wires71 "Yes, someone rushing out of the line, causing a gap, being beatenby footwork then ineffectivetackle.
Anyway you said you don't doubt effort, yet Powell and ex pros do. Someone has to be wrong.'"
All I can say is in my very humble experience the vast majority of players try very very hard but fail for other reasons.
Fear of failure and pressure of expectation, ability (of course) and coaching ... usually more of a problem.
Difficult to comment on some of the twaddle that comes out at times when an ex-player suddenly has a microphone in his hands.
re. Powell ... not clear on exactly what he said re. effort. Did he suggest a lack of effort? If he did .. well it is dead easy to solve that one.
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Quote: Smiffy27 "All I can say is in my very humble experience the vast majority of players try very very hard but fail for other reasons.
Fear of failure and pressure of expectation, ability (of course) and coaching ... usually more of a problem.
Difficult to comment on some of the twaddle that comes out at times when an ex-player suddenly has a microphone in his hands.
re. Powell ... not clear on exactly what he said re. effort. Did he suggest a lack of effort? If he did .. well it is dead easy to solve that one.'"
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Quote: Smiffy27 "All I can say is in my very humble experience the vast majority of players try very very hard but fail for other reasons.
Fear of failure and pressure of expectation, ability (of course) and coaching ... usually more of a problem.
Difficult to comment on some of the twaddle that comes out at times when an ex-player suddenly has a microphone in his hands.
re. Powell ... not clear on exactly what he said re. effort. Did he suggest a lack of effort? If he did .. well it is dead easy to solve that one.'"
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https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... -cup-exit/
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| Quote: Wires71 "[i
Some of that is effort, which is unacceptable really. Completely unacceptable.
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Should be relatively easy to solve.
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| There's no ambiguity here, Powell has quite clearly said that players are not playing to instruction, are wilting under pressure and in some cases lacking effort. He didn't dodge blame himself, and emphasised the "all in it together" mantra but he didn't shield the players from blame.
And good on him. Some of these players have been wallowing around in a comfort zone for years and failed to deliver on the talent they seem to think they possess.
The reaction of the players and the respect they have for the coaching staff will be the acid test in the coming weeks. They'll either pull away from the coach or they'll dig in for him.
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| Quote: Wires71 "I cannot recall a Warrington coach ever publicly saying ...
[i"I feel like I’m butting heads with some of them about the way we want to play"
"the players need to sort their heads out"
"We have no players playing consistently well"
"We’ve had a good chat after the game about player accountability"[/i
It's not as if this is all forum tittle tattle, these are remarks attributed to Powell.
I think it's more than a "poor performance" or "patch". This is a real problem.'"
Well he should've had that conversation last week. We might still be in the cup by now. He’s not without accountability.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "There's no ambiguity here, Powell has quite clearly said that players are not playing to instruction, are wilting under pressure and in some cases lacking effort. He didn't dodge blame himself, and emphasised the "all in it together" mantra but he didn't shield the players from blame.
And good on him. Some of these players have been wallowing around in a comfort zone for years and failed to deliver on the talent they seem to think they possess.
The reaction of the players and the respect they have for the coaching staff will be the acid test in the coming weeks. They'll either pull away from the coach or they'll dig in for him.'"
Good on him is right. You would have to say that our defence looks worse than last year. Price did improve our defence almost immediately but of course our attacking ideas were limited.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "Good on him is right. You would have to say that our defence looks worse than last year. Price did improve our defence almost immediately but of course our attacking ideas were limited.'"
Price improved both when he took over from Tony Smith.
Smith
2017 For (avg) 18.52, against (avg) 24.2 Win 39% (regular season excluding Qualifiers league)
Price
2018 For (avg) 23.09 Against (avg) 17.8 Win 61%
2019 For (avg) 24.45 Against (avg) 18.3 Win 55%
2020 For (avg) 21.4 Against (avg) 12.0 Win 70%
2021 For (avg) 28.0 Against (avg) 16.8 Win 71%
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| Improve the props and you improve the defence and the go forward.
Too simple.
I’ve already written off 2022. I’m waiting to hear on signings for 2023 now as the only satisfaction I can take in this very long season.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "Should be relatively easy to solve.'"
In what way would you solve a lack of effort?
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| Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "In what way would you solve a lack of effort?'"
Where I work, the threat of being sacked usually improves people`s efforts.
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| Well in RL there's only the coach that gets the sack, the players stay until their contract runs out.
Is this the expected outcome?
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| Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "In what way would you solve a lack of effort?'"
Sorry ...I thought it was too obvious to say.
But basically you talk to them and you give 'em a chance to up the effort and then they are playing in the reserves.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "Sorry ...I thought it was too obvious to say.
But basically you talk to them and you give 'em a chance to up the effort and then they are playing in the reserves.'"
I'd have thought that would have been part of a new coaches initial speech to the squad upon their arrival, and we are 7 games in. Some of this squad for Hull KR should already be playing reserve grade rugby this weekend, you cannot make threats and not carry them out, but with a salary cap, a contract system and a board to answer to, there's very few SL coaches with the bo££ox to drop players to the reserves. It's very easy for us sat behind a screen and keyboard to say that would be what we'd do, but in practice it's not exactly the easy solution to our problem.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "Sorry ...I thought it was too obvious to say.
But basically you talk to them and you give 'em a chance to up the effort and then they are playing in the reserves.'"
But what if you give 5 the chance and 5 dont. Do you do 5 in the reserves like Mr Cat suggested but was knocked back. I'm intrigued
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| Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "I'd have thought that would have been part of a new coaches initial speech to the squad upon their arrival, and we are 7 games in. Some of this squad for Hull KR should already be playing reserve grade rugby this weekend, you cannot make threats and not carry them out, but with a salary cap, a contract system and a board to answer to, there's very few SL coaches with the bo££ox to drop players to the reserves. It's very easy for us sat behind a screen and keyboard to say that would be what we'd do, but in practice it's not exactly the easy solution to our problem.'"
To be honest I am surprised that Powell suggested that it was an effort thing. Coaches say all sorts of things that they regret. If he really thinks it is an effort thing ...
he just has to speak to whoever he is thinking of and drop him if there is no improvement.
I cannot guess what Powell is thinking really. Just do it and don't talk to the press about it.
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