No they didn't. One of these days you'll get something right.

Thought they did...but yes looked it up...took the 4 matches.
Wigan spoke about it then had a change of mind....surely? If it was someone else, I've not a clue who!!

I do enjoy seeing us line up with decent ball-playing, rugby-brained back-rowers - it separates us from the animals.

Saying that, it's pointless bringing a knife to a gun fight.

There's an obvious benefit to having players who are not afraid of putting it up 'em, especially against a team like Wigan.

The scuffle and his actions didn't cost us anything. We conceded 2 tries against 12 men when we had 13. That's what needs addressing.

So what if he cops a ban? We have deep enough cover in the forwards, and resting his old bones for a few weeks will serve him well later in the season.

Looking at total penalties conceded over the last 5 years (a rough yardstick of a player's discipline and how much their team gets penalised in games for it), and given Westwood's role in the team, is he such a liability?

1 - Liam Watts - 105
2 - Jon Wilkin - 103
3 - Paul McShane - 102
4 - Chris Hill - 98
5 - Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook - 90
6 - Danny Brough - 86
7 - Adam Milner - 85
8 - Luke Gale - 83
9 - Chris Houston - 81
10 - Danny Houghton - 77
11 - Danny Kirmond - 77
12 - Mark Minichiello - 76
13 - Liam Farrell - 76
14 - William Isa - 76
15 - James Roby - 75
16 - Jamie Jones-Buchanan - 74
17 - Ben Westwood - 74
18 - Logan Tomkins - 73
19 - Jack Hughes - 73
20 - Kruise Leeming - 71
21 - Marc Sneyd - 71
22 - Remi Casty - 70
23 - Mike McMeeken - 70
24 - Sean O'Loughlin - 70
25 - Lloyd White - 70

If you want to try and make sense of the statistics divide the penalties by number of minutes played.
The real question though was what did Westwood achieve by his headbutt? Then ask What was the best it could've achieved and what was the worst?
It achieved him being sent off. The best it could have achieved was that no one noticed it (and punishment delayed). The worst was he is sent off and it costs us the match and he gets a lengthy ban.
In no way was it worth what he did. I should add that I like Ben as a player, but he does stupid things. I would argue his stupid things are more stupid than C Hill's stupid things. Hill gets criticised, Ben gets lauded.

If Patten had not run in like a wild man nothing would have happened.

Wire had head hit after another....Patton was just the touch paper. It was always going to go off.

likewise had willie isa not gone in with his knees and swinging arm into toby's head, nothing would have happened, especially since thaler pretty much gave wigan the green light to house freely.


Hang on, let me read my notes, sorry, what i should have said was *adjusts glasses* toby king's head bounces up off the floor and unfortunately gets kneed in the head by willie isa. Thats what the RFL said.

4 match ban + £500 fine

I cannot believe Greenwood has escaped punishment. That really does set a precedent for like-minded grubs.

...they've got to try everything to keep Pies up.

Behaved like a nob, got his punishment.

I'm all for Westwood acting as an [ienforcer[/i, BUT, there are ways and means.

I'm reminded of the great Brian Clough, in the film "The Damned United" when his captain, Billy Bremner is up infront of the FA for one of his [iscuffles[/i. "You're a great player, but you're no good to me, sat in the stands".
40odd years on, Westwood should pay heed to such wise words

The 'headbutt' was a rubbish one.

It didn't send Escared off for a head check, it was a side dish after Isa's thuggery on Toby.

The real issue is Thaler had no clue that Greenwood hit Blake so late that the ball moved through several tackles before he knew it had happened... and THEN, only because play had stopped did he become aware of Dan Knockonson cheap shotting Ryan.

In conclusion, they were hardly punished and we lost our playmaker for 10/15/whatever and Atkins had to play with tampons up his nose