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| Quote 1905="1905"If you hadn't edited your original post you would be able to see quite clearly why I did it.
Originaly you wrote;
You then changed it to;
You changed it AFTER I took exception to what you had said about Super Ben. So you obviously do know why I chose to insult you. Far from 'never knowing' you knew all along.
Why am I having to explain this to the person that wrote it?'"
I'm not going to get into an argument over this. It is silly. Perhaps I chose the wrong words, or missed a few words out, to put my point across properly. You have pounced on it like a dog with a bone. Chill out pal! |
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| Quote just_browny="just_browny"Put Roby in your team as hooker and the rest of the team will be wasted. He'll be busy bumping up his stats while space and overlaps go begging.'"
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| Player Coach | 2088 | Wigan Warriors |
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| Quote PADDERS="PADDERS"Hock needs to learn to channel his aggression in a different way , rather than turn into a thug he needs to use that aggression into his play within the rules ! Westwood has changed his play in a similar way since smith came in , he was a penalty machine before that Hock could learn from this !
I do wonder though if Hock has the brain power to do this !'"
I would argue that Hock has channelled his aggression well this year. He was bound to be targeted by teams trying to wind him up and I've lost count of the number of times the Hock of several years ago would start throwing punches or done something equally as stupid.
This season he's missed just two games after picking up the ban against Saints and that was for throwing a few punches in a derby game (which should be mandatory).
A bit of handbags with Westwood is no worry at all. What's impressed me is that in two big games that the team has been pretty appalling Hock has actually played well. Against Leeds he was one of the few good players in the Wigan team and it was the same yesterday. He was guilty of a mis-read for one of the tries but that can happen with him. It's no worse than Westwood's poor defence when Hock scored his try and that didn't sully Westwood's excellent performance.
On balance they are both the two best back row forwards in the competition. |
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| Quote Wollyhood="Wollyhood"1. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Reed
4. Atkins
5. Briscoe
6. McGuire
7. Brough
8. Graham
9. Roby
10.Burgess
11.Hock
12.Westwood
13.O'Loughlin
14.Burrow
15.Ellis
16.Carvell
17.Hill
That's what I'd go with.'"
Not alot there I could disagree with really. Chris Hill is looking more and more like a top class prop every time I see him. I think Gareth Widdop would have to be in there instead of Maguire though and possibly Ratchford over Burrow for utility value on the bench. |
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| Moderator | 39722 | Warrington Wolves |
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| Quote Cherry.Pie="Cherry.Pie"I would argue that Hock has channelled his aggression well this year. He was bound to be targeted by teams trying to wind him up and I've lost count of the number of times the Hock of several years ago would start throwing punches or done something equally as stupid.
This season he's missed just two games after picking up the ban against Saints and that was for throwing a few punches in a derby game (which should be mandatory).
A bit of handbags with Westwood is no worry at all. What's impressed me is that in two big games that the team has been pretty appalling Hock has actually played well. Against Leeds he was one of the few good players in the Wigan team and it was the same yesterday. He was guilty of a mis-read for one of the tries but that can happen with him. It's no worse than Westwood's poor defence when Hock scored his try and that didn't sully Westwood's excellent performance.
On balance they are both the two best back row forwards in the competition.'"
by hock's standards, he had a game yesterday, i can't recall him getting a single offload away.
We completely nullified his effect. |
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Hock is world class his running is devasting and he has a nice off load,would like to see him at Wire.Him and Westwood would be awesome.
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dont need him, we've got waterhouse, who's coming into his own now.
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| Quote 1905="1905"If you hadn't edited your original post you would be able to see quite clearly why I did it.
Originaly you wrote;
You then changed it to;
You changed it AFTER I took exception to what you had said about Super Ben. So you obviously do know why I chose to insult you. Far from 'never knowing' you knew all along.
Why am I having to explain this to the person that wrote it?'"
Your assumption could be wrong; maybe the post was change for the sake of clarification. Just a though, so no need to get nasty. |
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| Quote pies-r-us="pies-r-us"Your assumption could be wrong; maybe the post was change for the sake of clarification. Just a though, so no need to get nasty.'"
Exactly, I edited my post for clarification.
I am still left wondering why somebody who doesn't know who I am, has never seen me and knows nothing about me would come to the conclusion that I am a horrible person. |
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| Quote The Yellow Giraffe="The Yellow Giraffe"Exactly, I edited my post for clarification.
I am still left wondering why somebody who doesn't know who I am, has never seen me and knows nothing about me would come to the conclusion that I am a horrible person.'"
You are not a horrible person, you are a horrible giraffe. |
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Alright, calm down now girls, lets move on.
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Tomkins
Hall
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Atkins
Briscoe
Widdop
Lomax
Graham
Roby
Burgess
Westwood
Hock
O'loughlian
Burrow
Hill
Luke Burgess
Ellis
Westwood has always outplayed Ellis in an England jersey in my opinion and Hock is just the kind of player that could really get under the aussie's skin. danny brough should be nowhere near an england team!! atkins just edges watkins at the moment but give him time and watkins will be awesome should he stay fit!!
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