Challenge Cups finals also don't always include the "best team" i.e recent finalists have included Hull, Catalans etc. The Grand Finals mostly inlcude the top 2 teams over the course of the season.

So basically it's who has the better luck in the draw. I don't think you could argue Saints have a dominance in the Cup because they Beat Catalan dragons bottom of the league the year before? Nor Huddersfield who St helens beat in 2006 (Where the Giants finished 9th).

Despite the wins and while nobody remembers who you played but how many cups you have it's hardly convincing. Congratulating however


As for Play off finals, Leedsleads said it him/herself



So, are they [ireally dominating[/i. Maybe but it's hardly boring and sickening.

Perhaps you should try supporting in conjunction with Warrington Wolves, a local team in the local leagues, be it the Wizards or Rovers.

anybody that watched F1 and decided to Watch A1 GP instead when that was launched are a bit like the fans of Man united that decided to rip up their season tickets and form/watch FC united of Manchester instead....

it was all a very noble and admirable idea.....but your just watching cheap tat at the end of the end day........


is that A1 GP still going by the way.....

you wasnt around from about 1985 to 1997 was you......

13. A whole 8 less than the Mighty St Helens. Woaaahh
Considering it has been going since 1896

part of it, I know that saints used to be a bit like us before their domination started so they obviously needed to take a turn. But surely their turn is now due to come to an end.

variety is the spice of life.

Well yes, apart from fact we have never left the top division. Unlike a certain Merseyside team.

What about in the SL era spud?

The stats are easily available spud. Have a gander yourself. In last seven years, the wins for St Helens in challenge cup have been:

Wigan (4th at end of season, fair enough.
Huddersfield (finished 10th, out of playoffs)
Catalan (finished 10th, out of playoffs)
Hull fc (finished 11th, Out of playoffs)

As stats go, these seem far better.

Last 5 Grand Finals

Leeds have appeared in 4 Grand Finals & won 3.
Saints have appeared in 3 & won 1.

You seem to mistake Warrington for a team with a rich vein of form in the modern history of the game.

No, my whole (original) point is that Saints have dominated the game in the last 10 years or so.

FWIW Warrington have done nothing but stagnate.

I can beat that - I've been told bears like to do their business in areas heavily populated by trees.

Believe it or not Seb if you look back earlier in this thread there were a couple of jokers trying to argue the fact that Saints have dominated the game for the last 10 years.

I kid you not

We've knocked the reigning champions (Leeds) out the last 2 years!

The Huddersfield season we had to beat every team in the top 5 to get there!

You're talking pap.

You'd never beat us in the cup though. The Mighty Wire.

We've also only played the rubbish teams in the league for the past 4 years when we finished top. Same again this year, just an easy league run.

p.s. I'm terrified of drawing you lot in the cup this year and I honestly mean that. Would be a real comeuppance for our hoodoo to be broken at Wembley and I can genuinely see you beating us in the cup this year.

Bit naive to look at it that way given that we have knocked top teams out of it. Off the top of my head we have done Leeds a few times, Bradford when they were actually good (and at Odsal), Hull as well as a few games V Wigan, Wire and other sides that arent foregone conclusions.

I think WOTT's point was in reference to RL Lover who claimed that the GF isn't as important as it is down to a one off game on the day, just like the CC Final.

As you say, Saints have done well to get to these CC Finals to be in a position to win, but no equally, Leeds have done well to get to a position to be at Old Trafford.

I wouldn't describe Saints as dominant in the last 10 years. They have been a major force, but surely a dominant team would have won more than 1 SL Title in the past 6 years?

They may have finished top for the past few years, however I'm sue they would swap that League Leaders shield with the SL Trophy anyday.

Saints are a major force, as are Leeds, but the only dominant team over a sustained period I have ever seen is Wigan.

Exactly, never has been a big 4 in the SL era. It was the big two for quite a few years in Saints and Bradford, and now it's become Saints and Leeds.

Pretty much chief.

Depends what you call dominant.

Our nearest rivals trophywise is Bradford who have won half of what we have over the SL era. Next after that is Leeds who have won 1/3rd of what we have won. If you compile what Leeds, Wigan and Bradford have won over this era it still isnt as much as us. Thats fairly dominant, even if its nowhere near what Wigan did.

SL Era:

SL Winners
St Helens 5
Bradford 4
Leeds 3
Wigan 1

League Leaders Winners
St Helens 5
Bradford 3
Wigan 2
Leeds 1

Challenge Cup Winners
St Helens 7
Bradford 2
Leeds 1
Wigan 1
Hull FC 1
Sheffield 1

World Club Challenge Winners
Bradford 3
St Helens 2
Leeds 2

Totals
St Helens 19
Bradford 12
Leeds 7
Wigan 4
Hull FC 1
Sheffield 1


Saints look pretty dominant to me!

Its never really been a big 4 in all honesty. That sentiment was a stupid Eddie and Stevo made up load of BS.

Its been Saints and either Bradford or Leeds as the dominant sides. At present we have a situation where Saints and Leeds are well ahead whilst the rest are pretty poor. As time progresses with the lack of relegation I'd expect all the sides to start to even out but it will take time.

FWIW I genuinely think its only poor management in terms of recruitment of both players and coaches which has held back the likes of Wire and Wigan. If they can get some long term planning in place then I'd expect both to get up there quicker than the rest.

To be fair, RL Lover claimed Saints had been dominant in the last 10 years.

Now they still have a very good record and indeed have won most trophies in that spell, but surely a team that was dominant would have won more than 1 SL title in the last 6 years wouldn't they?

They have dominated the Challenge Cup, however 1 SL Title in the last 6 years says to me that they have been a major force rather than dominant.