Now you've reawoken miaw's Holden infatuation.
Grown blokes shouldn't have their mancrushes brought back to mind.

Holden was great, though

Oh cruel mistress of the ligaments, and a thousand curses on the Swinton groundsman who allowed that pothole that scuppered Keith.

As lefty said, Ronnie D, Mark.Roberts and.I think Mike Greg also went the same way and the wire world was a sadder place for it.

Of course, treatment of all injuries and recovery has improved vastly since then. In Ben C's case he doesn't look to me like he is concerned about the injury but certainly the spark isn't there currently. Currie may have lost a yard of pace but his speed of thought and hands was always as much a factor as his speed of foot, and I'm sure that's atill there.

I'm hoping anyway. But mention of Holden, Mike Greg and Currie combined with a saints procession offers but one solace : time to uncork the Harvey's.

its going to take a real shift in form for him to be the player he was and get another contract... In his own words, he is playing for his future this season.

It's not effort he is lacking in, he just doesn't seem to have that pace he had... So he cant effect games like he used to... its a shame for the lad, but he seems to have a fight on his hands to keep his place based on the Wigan game.

Lets hope its confidence and we WILL see that player again from a few years ago.

...Keith Holden...gutted

....but then we found Greg Mackay....went on one hell of a winning run....then lost him.

1 of only 3 players I remember since Wigan's resurgence from Div 2 that made a remarkable difference...
Being:
John Woods
Greg Mackay 1st stint
Jonathan Davis

Neither Boyd Blake Johns or Langar had such a spike in a prolonged period as those 3 players did.

Morley didn't turn us from perennial mid table to challengersee.
Morley was part of a building process of several signings, thanks to SJM.

I don't want to make excuses for Currie but it might be a bit harsh.
He is now having to get used to a new centre partnership and he didn't play alongside Goodwin that long due to injury.
He has had God knows how many half backs on that side, Patton all last year, Ratch last night and soon to be Widdop.
Second rowers often have peaks and troughs in form and I think a lot of that is due to the combinations around them. In Westwoods prime he had stability with Briers and Bridge.
A lot also depends on what they are being asked to do. Have a look at the game again and Liam Farrell only ran off drop offs from Hastings on an line heading back towards the posts. Currie is trying to get on the outside shoulder of the opposition half back to attract Isa playing at centre to then create a 2 on 1 for King and Lineham.
I think he did a decent job.
It will be interesting how he goes against Payroux, Naquiama and Fages.
He is still a classy player and I have not given up on him yet.

No they didn't.
The 3 I mention made a huge significant bounce.
Boyd was already a Wire in an average team at best...John Woods came in and was so prolific with his boot our scores in a game almost doubled!
Phil Blake was the best player I saw, but his stint was short term and didn't particularly have a stark impact.

I'm probably doing an injustice to Andy Gregory...he had a big say in a spike in results.

Once you start making these excuses for a player it's an admission that he's not top class. SL throws these sort of things up - if a player can't adapt to it he's not in the top drawer.

Think of the excuses that could have been made in 2015/16. Currie was being switched between second row and centre, and as for halfbacks he had Myler, O'Brien, Ratchford, Sandow and Patton back then. And he was only about 21!
Nobody needed to make excuses then though, because none of this was a problem, he was in the top 4 or 5 players in SL over that time.

The fact that we need to make excuses now, says everything.

I don't think anybody doubts that Currie was a total class act in terms of his talent. If he hadn't have got injured he looked like he was on track to be one of those dominant players like Morley, Sam Burgess, who could dominate either SL or the NRL.

The only thing in question is whether the bad luck he has suffered with injury, has diminished him to a level where he will never be the same. At the moment it looks like this is the case, until we see evidence otherwise.

He's been given more chances than most other players would have been, because he established his potential with his early performances.

When Greg Mackey came and asked for a trial and he was on a pay as you play deal...it was when Holden had a broken leg and couldn't start the season, although he never played again. The leg was a sight too...he had bars either side drilled into his bone through heavy plaster.

From game one Mackey controlled everything...like Hastings at Salford. Wire was top of the league...we breezed the Lancashire Cup....
We must have gone around near a dozen games without defeat...or one as I can remember. Still Higham never offered him a contract. Hull came in and he was gone...we then went defeat upon defeat. I was gutted

Quote: rubber duckie " Boyd was already a Wire in an average team at best...John Woods came in and was so prolific with his boot our scores in a game almost doubled! '" Duckie are you sure your memory isn't playing tricks. Boyd 'was already a Wire in an average team at best'....? Warrington were 11th under Reggie Bowden the year before Boyd arrived. They finished 4th and 3rd in his first two seasons. That was surely not an average team. As for John Woods doubling our scores in a game....the year before he arrived (1986/87) we came 3rd, scored 728 points in 30 games (24.3 pts/game). Woods first year (1987/8icon_cool.gif we came 6th, scored 531 in 26 games (20.4 pts/game) Woods second year (1988/89) we came 11th, scored 456 pts in 26 games (17.5 pts/game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%8 ... ampionship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987%E2%8 ... gue_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%8 ... gue_season As I say I'm not doubting Woods was good, he was prolific with his boot, but it is hard to pick him out as a difference making player, when he came in to a team that was in decline.

Quote: rubber duckie " Boyd was already a Wire in an average team at best...John Woods came in and was so prolific with his boot our scores in a game almost doubled! '" Duckie are you sure your memory isn't playing tricks. Boyd 'was already a Wire in an average team at best'....? Warrington were 11th under Reggie Bowden the year before Boyd arrived. They finished 4th and 3rd in his first two seasons. That was surely not an average team. As for John Woods doubling our scores in a game....the year before he arrived (1986/87) we came 3rd, scored 728 points in 30 games (24.3 pts/game). Woods first year (1987/8icon_cool.gif we came 6th, scored 531 in 26 games (20.4 pts/game) Woods second year (1988/89) we came 11th, scored 456 pts in 26 games (17.5 pts/game) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%8 ... ampionship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987%E2%8 ... gue_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%8 ... gue_season As I say I'm not doubting Woods was good, he was prolific with his boot, but it is hard to pick him out as a difference making player, when he came in to a team that was in decline.

I agree with this. I wonder how things would have been different if Mackey had been in the side straight through from 1989 to 1995. The early 90s, pre-Davies era we had some good players (Drummond, Mercer, Shelford), won the Regal Trophy in 1991 but we didn't really contend in the league. Mackey wouldn't have made us catch up with Wigan but we'd have been one of the bigger fish along with Saints, Leeds, Bradford.