That was also true of McDermott's Leeds teams and Wane's Wigan teams. They had a lot of seasons where they underwhelmed their fans with inconsistency through the league season and had them questioning the coach. They generally turned up when it came to playoffs or Grand Finals though.

Warrington 2019 are not going to be Warrington 2011 where you arrive at the ground each week pretty much knowing we are going to have too much firepower for the opposition. But we will almost certainly be in the top 5, probably the top 3 and so will be involved at the business end of our season and the extent to which we turn up in those games will determine whether we go further than Warrington 2011.

Cooper is too good and has already been rested this season, so I believe that. It's easy to 'protect' Currie . . . he needed a game off.

Second time Atkins has been dropped. I've been such a big fan of his, but my now are Goodwin and King.

I thought 2017 was a bridge too far for Westwood, 2018 proved me (and a lot) wrong but . . . he looks done.

Wasn't aimed at you it was a generalisation of posts I've read.if all these players mentioned are not good enough then we are doing well to be 2nd.anyone would think we are a bottom 3 club...any how defeats do happen frustrating as it is especially like the one handed to us by Salford..but let's not press the panic button just yet

I don't think it's panicking to call for Adkins to be dropped due to his woeful handling and passing, to realise 2019 is the season too far for club legend Westwood and that clubs with a lot less wealth and profile than us manage to operate with more effective halfbacks than Patton.

Often when results don't go your way the weak links are highlighted. Like it or not they are the weak links in our side (together with us being a front line prop short)

Fans expectations have risen massively since 2009 and our first cup win in a long time. I’ve watched us for near on 49 years so I know the really bad times and remember not being has bothered when we lost etc, but this club is now at a much higher level and I for one am grateful that we are. Well the thing is fans now want more and are expecting it so are now more criticising of performances and individuals,it is what it is and yes some people won’t like what is said but that’s what debate is.

I think if you don't enjoy reading criticism of players/putting the counter case you could possibly save yourself the anguish of reading the harrowing assessments by avoiding coming on the club's unofficial forum in the immediate hours after a terrible home display.

The point I am making is that there are players commanding a wage that exceeds their output. BMM for example plays short minutes with varying levels of impact. I think it’s fair to say he’s not one to roll his sleeves up and carry the ball away from our line, doing the dirty work. Yet if you look at Alex Walmsley, similar size player who does similar minutes, who id argue are on similar money, who would you prefer?

My other point is that those on the fringes should be adding a level of enthusiasm to try and stay in the team. Philbin did it last year and has kept his place, Livett proved he could in his first 6 games yet has dropped away. I want these players to take their chance and force the hand of the coach

I had it on the wireless & we still sounded as if we are plagued with lack of concentration at times in the handling department & are also at the mercy of refs when it comes to being penalised. An improvement in those two areas would make a massive difference to consistency on the field. The last line of defence seems in great shape as does that attack when confidence shines through.

Occasionally I would get criticised at work by people whom I knew didnt have the skills to do my job. I didnt take it well and it certainly didnt help my performance. Hopefully, any players reading this forum will respond differently than I did.

Surely it's different because ..

1. This is a private forum, players don't need to even be aware of it.
2. Criticism and adulation is part and parcel of professional sport. We are not here to nurture or mentor employees we are here to talk about the performance of our team which has existed a long time before and a long time after the current squad (as will us fans).

I am worried about the snowflakification of this board. Seems like we can bawl insults from the terraces that the players can hear, but not vent an opinion on here which they won't read.

Taking it further maybe we should have nurtured Tony Smith a little more rather than criticise his team selection, results, and recruitment. You know put an arm round his shoulder and build his confidence.

I agree (I've ignored the last jibe).

It's called hyperbole. ie) now we have beaten Hull KR we are world beaters again with a squad ram, jam, full of international talent.

No we are not world beaters.we are the 2nd best team in the comp atm..that could change especially if there's any more performances like Salford..hopefully not...I do understand the frustration getting walloped.but to me it was a knee jerk reaction....

And your entitled to that opinion has others are entitled to theirs,as I said earlier expectations have risen and a lot of fans will be a lot less tolerant of poor performances, 1 good performance does not fix all ills,just saying.

I'm being critical when we win.
KR and FC were massively under strength.
40-50 minute wins at most of the games we've played this season.

We still lack something up front as Westwood and Tasi and BMM if we're using him as prop, are lacking what we lost even from George King.