A very sad sign of things to come when posters cannot think for themselves.

ditch Sky and watch on the internet in Polish or Norwegian.

i think i should be the next sky presenter, with my unbiased approach to the game, only problem is they'd have to air the games after the 9pm watershed!

Dave Woods loves RL, no doubt, but he is not a good commentator.

I'm going to stick up for Eddie.
The primary job he's there to do is desrcibe the action as it happens. The way he goes about that combined with his tone and voice is very good. He does add drama to it. Watch a game commentated by Bill Arthur and he practically puts you to sleep.

The problem has arisen by the presence of Stevo, who, let's face it, knows very little about a sport he's supposed to be an expert in. Eddie feels comfotable to offer opinions on a subject that clueless stevo has mentored him in and it leads you down cringeworthy paths.

Get rid of Stevo, keep Eddie to commentate and have the other, younger lads on to analyse what's going on.

And the basis for that will be?

Super League on Sky is great. They have brought in "All The Tries" recently, which was needed; "Boots'N'All" is a very good programme, "Super Men" has been a good show and is better now it's an hour. ("NRL Full Time" is an hour long in Aus though and is cut to ribbons to make it <30mins on Sky which makes it quite unfulfilling!).

However, it's got quite a few things wrong with it when the live games are on.

The insistance Sky have in showing replays of f?ck all while the game is going on is infuriating. In the opening minutes of the Pie-Wire game on Friday there was a slow-motion replay of two ugly birds in the crowd jumping up in the act of celebrating something that ended up not being a try (therefore it was an utterly pointless replay to show); this was whilst the game was going on and on the audio the crowd roared and Stevo went "ooah look at that" - well i couldn't look at it because of the stupid replay. Or there will be a suspicion of a knock-on at the ptb on tackle one and during tackles two or three there will be a replay of this incident and again there will be a huge roar from the crowd as Roby (for example) is breaking twenty metres up-field - yet we miss that as we see yet another replay. It happens a dozen times a game, at least!

The commentary is quite frankly ridiuclous at times.
The things Stevo comes out with are laughable "they realise the blind side is open here and will utilize it on this play" - it doesn't happen. And the "banter" between Eddie and Stevo is not funny and hasn't been for ten years. He's a complete dinosaur when it comes to his opinions too. Is he past the age of retirement? because he needs to retire now!
Phil Clarke needs to be left at home when Wigan are on. Other than that he's okay[-ish].
Then there's Eddie (point of the thread). Eddie only talks about the negative in everything. Anyting that happens he questions in the negative light. It's not good to hear (ironic as i'm doing that right now!). And he still goes on about rules that came in years ago as if they're a new thing and are still contentious. I still don't think he can get his head around the momentum rule, everytime it's like it's the first time he's ever heard of it. Then during the Saints-Leeds game on Sunday, what he said to Brian Carney was out of order.

There are people there who work for Super League on Sky who are all capable of doing the whole thing without Eddie and Stevo now. They were good for a time but that time is up.

Actually, I think the critics and the defenders of SKY are being too simplistic. The real problem - ironically, given they are always crying out for it - is a lack of consistency. At times, the coverage is superb and they get it spot on. To say Eddie and Stevo don't know the game well enough is farcical given how many games they watch! But at times they do come out with absolute nonsense. A very simple example was when Briers found touch from kickoff on Friday. Eddie seemed astonished Lee had kicked it instead of Hodgson - how could he not know Lee takes nearly all the kickoffs?!

I'm surprised to hear such praise for Clare Balding in this particular thread considering the appalling way she put down Brian Noble a couple of years ago for his pronunciation of a word ("calibre", I think) at our cup semi against Catalans.

Eddie's comment to Brian Carney wasn't necessary but the man has rugby league in his blood which Clare does not.

Stevo is the most annoying for me. At a time of record viewing figures he insists on looking for unnecessary controversy which comes across badly to the viewing public.

Whilst Phil is an intelligent member of the Sky team his pro-Wigan stance isn't acceptable. He could learn a few things from Gary Neville who has been impressive in his impartial approach to football commentary (& that's from a Liverpool fan!).

Very impressed with Jon Wells & Brian Carney.

Carney, Wells, McDermott and O'Connor are bearable. Get rid of the other 3. It amazes me how Eddie keeps his job when he manages to mistake players on regular occurrences.

I couldn't have hated a player more than I did RatBoy "Feed the Goat" Chuckle while he was playing the game. What a tw@! But watching him now on Sky, he is by far the best footy pundit there is.

Brian Carney is brilliant. Jon Wells has impressed me. And I do like Barry and Terry too.

I think most of them need canning, including Barry and Terry.

Get some Australians on who have had some form of media training.

Well Eddie has been a professional broadcaster for over 30 years Carney has been a rugby player and got a degree (but not in broadcasting) Eddie was on Radio Merseyside for years before he went to Rugby League and probably if you work with muppets long enough you become one!! as the rest of the Sky team are.

O'Connor is an imbecile. He has never said or done anything of value apart from that time he pointed at Neil Cowie when the Fletch was calling him a fat Josh Charnley.

That is my view as well. McDermott is not much better, he is a like a fatter, more stupid Paul Cullen and doesn't really say anything incisive.

Like people have said, Clarke is the best if he could stop being a Wiganophile.

I can just picture the scene.
The credits roll, and the producer says into Slim's earpiece "cut to Slim"

Slim "Good evening, and welcome to tonight's match. Joining me in the commentary box, will be that Pie Eating Know Nowt, Odemwingie, who'll be spouting his usual b0ll0x, and touchside will be Rogues Gallery, but don't expect input from him. Somebody asked him a question about the Huddersfield game, on a well known website, and he hasn't come up with an answer, over a month later!.