I think this was the key area. When Cunningham came on for his second spell, he started scooting against lazy/tired/ non agressive markers. At Warrington, marker is a place to have a breather, if you are too slow or tired to get back into the line. Scooting down the middle pulled the forwards in , leaving the centres in space and isolated.

Johnson showed that he isn't a centre...and is past his best.
King showed that he is pedestrian, passive and lacks any sign of ability.

Add to that two half backs who can't/won't run forwards and take on the line or even talk to each other and its a recipe for a long unsuccesful season.

(Lowes is now the bookies favourite to be the first coach to go)

Obsessed

one word...fitness...

everything points to the fact that we are not fit enough!

shot our bolt in the first half...nothing left for the second.

Same old same old.

Watching us v Saints is like going to see the same west-end play over and over again...you just know whats coming next..its as if its scripted.

It is early days (first game and all that)..but the signs are that nothing has changed....

It certainly did seem as if we lost all ability to keep up with the pace and firepower of the Saints. Can't believe the effort that was put in in the first half just couldnt be replicated in the second. Gidley's try changed the game and I knew full well that we would be struggling to hang on from there on in. Dissappointed, but at the end of the day, I cant say I turned up at Knowsley Road expecting a Wire win.

It may be for you guys but not for many of us. At half time and beyond me and a goodly crowd around me seriously thought we were going to lose that match. In fact, the prospect of being nilled at home by Wire was looking decidedly possible. So you guys might have thought it was obviously Groundhog Day but not all of us did!

You brought a great crowd btw. Fantastic.

The biggest fault at Warrington is the type of players we buy.Our squad has far too many forwards in it.The result is that when players are injured,other players are being played out of position.Riley is a winger,not a fb,Johnston is a 2nd rower,not a centre,Monaghan is a hooker,not a hb and the list goes on over the past few seasons.

The club needs sorting out from players who dont give a toss,to players who are injury prone,to the manager who is there just to fill a position,to the board that is just a clique (Hoyle,Broomhead?) to the inept running of the souvenir shop.The club is a shambles from top to bottom and will win nothing with the present status quo.Another defeat awaits next saturday.

And finally,well done to Jimmy Lowes for just about crushing the last remaining bits of confidence that Kevin Penney had,by taking him off with 10 minutes to go.All he needs is a decent centre inside him and a defensive coach to teach him.For his own good,the sooner KP goes to Saints or Wigan,the better he will become as a player.

I can't disagree with any of that the way we ran out of steam in the last 20 was alarming..

Another thing Monaghan really needs to shape up or ship out...
There was One particular moment when we were still 2 points in front and after being put under pressure we made it into the Saints half...
On the 5th tackle Monaghan put up a nothing bomb instead of drilling the ball into Saints corner and making them work hard to get back up the field...

Indeed some of the kicking was aimless in the second half and chaseless as well.

I thought similar myself combined with a poor mentality. I've not seen a collapse like that in years.

this is why warrington will never win anything, they have no composure and dont no how to handle a comanding lead - as micky higham said "Saints didnt win the game, warrington lost it"

saints did not look the unbeatable team we've seen in the last years, saints wont be beating any teams 40+

i thought wire played very well the best iv seen of them for a long time something is missing in the halfbacks though its games like that were alfie langer would of turned the magic on, its the first of many games and to be honest i dont think anyone would of beat saints in the last 20 . maybe you needed another freindly game.. but lots of positives well done wire good luck next week.

Really? We lost by 6 tries to 2. We are further from ever against a Saints team who didn't have to do too much last night.

I think you'll find that both happened.



I will have you a bet of 10 english pounds that sometime this season we score 40+ points against somebody.