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Quote: Captain Hook "The version I heard was “never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience”.
Saddened has just gone full on crackpot.'"


This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.

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Quote: Saddened! "This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.'"

All teams get these type of results, but explain how Josh. Maguires 7 match ban fits into your thesis. Or how we have had so many bans this year but not done half the moaning your lot have with you as the bandleader.
I don’t understand how, if you genuinely believe there is a conspiracy, you can carry on watching the sport
In any event you have been peddling the conspiracy for a few seasons now albeit in different guises. Of course even the inept RL surely couldn’t be so bad that despite their best efforts to thwart you you have managed 4 in a row.

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If your argument is that there are inconsistencies in the disciplinary then you are correct as there are and there always were. If you believe the inconsistencies are a deliberate target on St Helens RFC then you’re in cloud cuckoo land and we’ll leave it there.

I might put my tin hat on suggest that they’ve got it in for us with McGuires ban and the RFL making us play Catalans away in the cup rather than Halifax. They probably made Mikaele homesick as well.

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Quote: Saddened! "This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.'"


In the course of a season every team has players banned for seemingly innocuous challenges or for things that leave us scratching our heads. Conversely there are always the things we all agree we got away with that should've been highlighted. It's just the nature of the sport and it's disciplinary process. You're just more aware of it of late because you're going out of your way to notice everything to support your theory. When people feel hard done by, this is natural. When we lose, we may go looking for all the small things that might have changed the outcome, we hardly ever acknowledge/notice the things that fell in our favour.

When your horrible lot are walking out onto the Old Pitch in October this will be long forgotten. Take your tin foil hat off and chill.

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Quote: Saddened! "This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.'"

Take the bans on the chin, and stop all the pointless whinging every Wednesday.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The extremely scary thing is that on redvee Sad one comes across as one of the more reasonable posters!! icon_eek.gif . I was reading the Salford forum this week seeing how they were getting on with their fundraising thing(and hoping for some dupree gossip)and they'd obviously just played saints. Quite a few of their fans said they'd rather win nothing if being successful turned them into fans like saints have got.

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Quote: Saddened! "This is the approach you have to take, because if you looked at the evidence, you'd agree, and you can't bring yourself to do that. Look at the incidents I've mentioned and tell me where I'm wrong.'"


Why are you bleeting on at us for?
I'm sure I speak for a lot of Wire fans, I'm really not bothered if all or none of your lot get banned or not.
We all know that the MRP 'rules' are in pencil on the back of a fag packet, most fans just accept it but Saints seem to think they're on some kind of crusade for evidence of conspiracy.

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Quote: Matt King's kitten "
I'm sure I speak for a lot of Wire fans, I'm really not bothered if all or none of your lot get banned or not.'"


My view exactly. The topic is as dull as ditch water.

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Ignored my own advice! Let them bleat, who cares?

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Maybe we could have a thread dedicated to "Saints Disciplinary Conspiracy Theory" and let Saddened go nuts in it and others swerve it.

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Quote: Wires71 "Maybe we could have a thread dedicated to "Saints Disciplinary Conspiracy Theory" and let Saddened go nuts in it and others swerve it.'"


I sympathise, but also like having Saddened's rants close at hand as counter evidence to the recurring claims that he is a reasonable and fair minded poster, when of course he is anything but.

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Quote: just_browny "I sympathise, but also like having Saddened's rants close at hand as counter evidence to the recurring claims that he is a reasonable and fair minded poster, when of course he is anything but.'"


Not done himself any favours with constant Knowles as caused the problem getting a ban overturned, he just won’t let it go.

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Knowles has caused the disciplinary another problem, how many matches to give him for that tackle last night

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Quote: Saddened! "He's not though is he. This latest one he put an arm out and caught him, but there was no swinging arm or real force in it. It's not a grade D incident. The other stuff he's been up before the committee for, he's largely been completely innocent of. He's got two referrals and yellow cards for 'high' tackles that were in the middle of the chest for example.

You mock the stance that Saints fans feel we're hard done to, but you can't sensibly argue with the evidence of that. Lees challenge wasn't the worst high shot in the game, Wright's on Ritson was, no charge. 'But it was off the ball Gov!' you all cry, well what about the Catalans player who got off completely with clobbering the Cas player around the head off the ball? That was significantly worse than what Lees did and he plays this weekend.

The late hit from Sironen? What a grub, what a monster. There were FOUR worse ones that that in the Saints v Salford game alone. Makinson for us (Which they picked up), plus Sneyd on Lomax (which was awful) and Croft on Lomax, which they didn't. Croft on Lomax is an interesting one. He knocks him to the ground after he passes to Sironen for his try. Contact is high, with the shoulder, there's no wrap and the passer is left flat on the floor. No charge, no ban, nothing on his record. Sironen wasn't late, wasn't high, wrapped his arms and took his opponent to ground safely. Sironen gets banned.

There are examples like this every single time a Saints player is banned. Lomax cops them every single week and there is never anything for them.

I appreciate it's fun for you because we're getting these, but it's not hard to see that there's a big difference in how we're treated by the MRP than any other club. They tried to get Lees banned for longer too by removing the penalty notice, meaning his ban could be for more than 2-3 games the grade suggests, which is unbelievable. Luckily the independent tribunal laughed at that and agreed with Saints and overturned it, giving him the lowest ban possible, but we've no doubt made things worse by doing that.'"

Lost the argument in the second sentence there pal. That's going some even for you.

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If Knowles gets a refer to tribunal today be ready for the alarm on your mobile device to sound and head straight to your nearest bomb shelter, ear defenders will be supplied if Saddened turns up in your zone icon_lol.gif

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