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| Quote: Smiffy27 "That is the easy bit. So you now you have to replace them with 5 from outside last weeks 17.
So out go... Widdop, Philbin, Currie, King and Holmes. Can you name the 5 that come in ... ??
Ashton ... still injured by the way and let's say Darryl Clark is out as well (just to give that true feeling of reality).
So pick your full 17 and let's see what we think?'"
Out of interest what would you do?
Drop a few or "go again" with the same?
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| Wrench centre for King, Longstaff comes in, Butler comes in, Dean comes in, Jack Darbyshire comes in
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "That is the easy bit. So you now you have to replace them with 5 from outside last weeks 17.
So out go... Widdop, Philbin, Currie, King and Holmes. Can you name the 5 that come in ... ??
Ashton ... still injured by the way and let's say Darryl Clark is out as well (just to give that true feeling of reality).
So pick your full 17 and let's see what we think?'"
Dean for Widdop (although I thought Widdop did OK)
Walker for D. Clark
Hughes for Holmes
Longstaff for Currie
FB - Thewlis
Wing - Charnley
Wing - Ashton if fit
Centre - Matatutia
Centre - Wrench
SO Williams
SH Dean
Pack
Mulhearn Walker Cooper
Hughes Longstaff
Magolias
Bench
Burgess
Davis
J Clark
Butler
If Ashton is not fit then Gannon to SR, Hughes to centre and Wrench to Wing. Could even bench Widdop for utility value
We may not win, but have lost 4 on the bounce anyway playing the "stars". So I think we can see it's perfectly possible.
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| Quote: Wires71 "Out of interest what would you do?
Drop a few or "go again" with the same?'"
I coached. As a coach you know who your best players are cos you see 'em everyday in all sorts of situations. There is no club I have ever seen can afford to drop 5 of their "top" players in the hope that it will give them that rocket up the that will get them playing well again. My view ... you work on your best players. Despite what fans may think I have seen very few players who don't really try on the pitch. I reckon Widdop, King, Currie, Holmes & Philbin do not lack for effort.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "I coached. As a coach you know who your best players are cos you see 'em everyday in all sorts of situations. There is no club I have ever seen can afford to drop 5 of their "top" players in the hope that it will give them that rocket up the booty that will get them playing well again. My view ... you work on your best players. Despite what fans may think I have seen very few players who don't really try on the pitch. I reckon Widdop, King, Currie, Holmes & Philbin do not lack for effort.'"
There's plenty of examples of coaches dropping "top" players to remind them that nobody is bigger than the club.. Smith did it with Briers, Price did it with Austin.
It's a gamble, granted, but it's not unthinkable to drop an underperforming player for the sake of the team. Not playing and removing the pressure off that player for a week may be in their best interests.
Case by case
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| Quote: Philth "There's plenty of examples of coaches dropping "top" players to remind them that nobody is bigger than the club.. Smith did it with Briers, Price did it with Austin.
It's a gamble, granted, but it's not unthinkable to drop an underperforming player for the sake of the team. Not playing and removing the pressure off that player for a week may be in their best interests.
Case by case'"
Yep ... but it is usually done from a position of strength. Not many have ever dropped five as the right honourable Cat was suggesting. Do not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Speccies always love players being dropped and coaches being sacked but sometimes you have to get back to reality.
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| Really, all he needs to drop is the player(s?) who are resisting the way he wants to play. If those 5 aren't any of the bad eggs then it's pointless dropping them. Sadly King looks like one of the players with doubts, he's been one of my favourite players for the past few seasons (pre contract renewal), he's mates with lineham and I wonder if there was any private discussion coming out there. Plus he isn't performing, hopefully that's wide of the mark and some much needed go forward will allow the Second rows and outside backs more space to work in. I'm not holding my breath though.
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| Quote: Wires71 "Dean for Widdop (although I thought Widdop did OK)
Walker for D. Clark
Hughes for Holmes
Longstaff for Currie
FB - Thewlis
Wing - Charnley
Wing - Ashton if fit
Centre - Matatutia
Centre - Wrench
SO Williams
SH Dean
Pack
Mulhearn Walker Cooper
Hughes Longstaff
Magolias
Bench
Burgess
Davis
J Clark
Butler
If Ashton is not fit then Gannon to SR, Hughes to centre and Wrench to Wing. Could even bench Widdop for utility value
We may not win, but have lost 4 on the bounce anyway playing the "stars". So I think we can see it's perfectly possible.'"
I know it can be done but would you really want that team to play vs. HKR with the hope that it might provide additional motivation to others sitting in the stand. If Powell selected that side next week (even I) would doubt his sanity.
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| While I totally understand the sentiment behind Powell's remarks, I must admit to being surprised about him being so public about the players & their abilities/efforts.
The aim of his remarks are obvious, he wants to almost embarrass them into performing, however this plan carries its risks, because the players could easily down tools.
If they did that, then it's essential that the board back the coach - This is where giving Powell adequate time to get things right is vital. If the board were to cave and fire him, then it makes the coach's job an almost impossible one in the future.
I think ultimately, Powell has laid down his mark here. By saying what he has, he has got his excuse in early for this season being a massive anti-climax. He has basically washed his hands (rightly) of any blame and made it clear to all, whether they be the board, fans, neutral observers and, most importantly, the players, that the guilty party for squad underachievement is solely down to them, the squad.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "I coached. As a coach you know who your best players are cos you see 'em everyday in all sorts of situations. There is no club I have ever seen can afford to drop 5 of their "top" players in the hope that it will give them that rocket up the booty that will get them playing well again. My view ... you work on your best players. Despite what fans may think I have seen very few players who don't really try on the pitch. I reckon Widdop, King, Currie, Holmes & Philbin do not lack for effort.'"
Fair enough. Who do we work on and what work do we do?
May I ask if you saw the tackling attempts in this video
[sizeD. Powell 19/3/2022
So are they wrong?
Anyhow you posed the question on how to create a team with those five players missing. All people have done is answer the question. We may lose, but we are losing anyway.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "I coached. As a coach you know who your best players are cos you see 'em everyday in all sorts of situations. There is no club I have ever seen can afford to drop 5 of their "top" players in the hope that it will give them that rocket up the booty that will get them playing well again. My view ... you work on your best players. Despite what fans may think I have seen very few players who don't really try on the pitch. I reckon Widdop, King, Currie, Holmes & Philbin do not lack for effort.'"
If king and philbin are currently giving everything in terms of effort then they both need shipping out to widnes,...........permanently!
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "While I totally understand the sentiment behind Powell's remarks, I must admit to being surprised about him being so public about the players & their abilities/efforts.
The aim of his remarks are obvious, he wants to almost embarrass them into performing, however this plan carries its risks, because the players could easily down tools.
If they did that, then it's essential that the board back the coach - This is where giving Powell adequate time to get things right is vital. If the board were to cave and fire him, then it makes the coach's job an almost impossible one in the future.
I think ultimately, Powell has laid down his mark here. By saying what he has, he has got his excuse in early for this season being a massive anti-climax. He has basically washed his hands (rightly) of any blame and made it clear to all, whether they be the board, fans, neutral observers and, most importantly, the players, that the guilty party for squad underachievement is solely down to them, the squad.'"
I think it's a strong move by Powell. I'm sick of hearing all the usual platitudes trotted out that you normally get. We stink currently and everyone knows we do, no point trying to hide it.
I'm sure the powers that be will back Powell, otherwise it will be like Lord of the Flies in the dressing room going forward.
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| Quote: Wires71 "Fair enough. Who do we work on and what work do we do?
May I ask if you saw the tackling attempts in this video
[sizeD. Powell 19/3/2022
So are they wrong?
Anyhow you posed the question on how to create a team with those five players missing. All people have done is answer the question. We may lose, but we are losing anyway.'"
Sorry I cannot reply to all of this.
But ... I have just watched the clip of the Wakey try. Blimey you can't blame a lack of effort for the last few "attempts". Charnley, Williams, & Thewlis. You have to look at how the break was initially made.
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| Quote: Smiffy27 "That is the easy bit. So you now you have to replace them with 5 from outside last weeks 17.
So out go... Widdop, Philbin, Currie, King and Holmes. Can you name the 5 that come in ... ??
Ashton ... still injured by the way and let's say Darryl Clark is out as well (just to give that true feeling of reality).
So pick your full 17 and let's see what we think?'"
Fair point, I'm gonna cheat then and go easy on currie and King and not drop them, but give them a shot across the bows.
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "Fair point, I'm gonna cheat then and go easy on currie and King and not drop them, but give them a shot across the bows.'"
I like shot across the bows. Never drop five players ... unless you are playing Blackpool Borough or Huyton.
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