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| Quote: Wires71 "It's the TV money that would have to be watered down to fund 3 additional SL clubs. Although I am in favour as we will have a normal league where we play everyone twice. If the watering down was applied to the salary cap it would be (£1.8M/15)*12
Or maybe the best players will leave and the average players will be able to command the lion's share of what's left in the salary cap.
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| I just don't like the play off system at all, never have done. Top the league, then you're Superleague Champions no ifs buts or maybes for me.
I'd like the end of season playoff's being for a separate trophy - like the Premiership Trophy of years gone by. This had good attendances at Old Trafford if my memory serves me, and it could be played as a double header (like it used to be) with parallel Championship and League 1 competitions. But, I accept this isn't going to happen any time soon.
No matter what the season format is there will always be meaning games where two sides face each other with nothing to really play for, except pride in wearing the shirt.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Or maybe the best players will leave and the average players will be able to command the lion's share of what's left in the salary cap.'"
They all left some while ago, sadly. Were left with average with the exception of a dwindling handful (if that many) of those who are better than average.
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| Imo a magic fixture should not be replicated within the loop. Otherwise we are going to get another 'Wigan week #' repetition.
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| Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "I just don't like the play off system at all, never have done. Top the league, then you're Superleague Champions no ifs buts or maybes for me.
I'd like the end of season playoff's being for a separate trophy - like the Premiership Trophy of years gone by. This had good attendances at Old Trafford if my memory serves me, and it could be played as a double header (like it used to be) with parallel Championship and League 1 competitions. But, I accept this isn't going to happen any time soon.
No matter what the season format is there will always be meaning games where two sides face each other with nothing to really play for, except pride in wearing the shirt.'"
To repeat a point that has been raised many times on these boards, for almost all of its history RL has decided the champions by a play-off system of one kind or another. During the years pre-SL when it was the 'league leader' who became champion there was no glamour, not much money, and little recognition in becoming champion. That's why the Challenge Cup was the trophy to win during that spell, as it did bring cash, glamour and recognition: probably the only RL thing that got national newspaper coverage.
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| Quote: Asgardian13 "To repeat a point that has been raised many times on these boards, for almost all of its history RL has decided the champions by a play-off system of one kind or another. During the years pre-SL when it was the 'league leader' who became champion there was no glamour, not much money, and little recognition in becoming champion. That's why the Challenge Cup was the trophy to win during that spell, as it did bring cash, glamour and recognition
A fair point and I think most are aware. However just because there was a playoff system in the past does not mean there needs to be one in the future.
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| Quote: Asgardian13 "To repeat a point that has been raised many times on these boards, for almost all of its history RL has decided the champions by a play-off system of one kind or another. During the years pre-SL when it was the 'league leader' who became champion there was no glamour, not much money, and little recognition in becoming champion. That's why the Challenge Cup was the trophy to win during that spell, as it did bring cash, glamour and recognition
Yes, I am aware of the play-off system being used for most of RL's history. This was due to the one league system and the fixtures being unbalanced i.e. not playing each other home and away.
Regardless of the facts of how it was/how it now is I'm still not a fan of it. I may be one of the few who desperately wanted to see the Wire winning the league through the years, and was gutted we were pipped by HKR in the late seventies, and still spit the odd feather over Russell Smith. Maybe it's just me, and as I stated before I don't expect the play off system to decide who are champions to disappear any time soon.
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| Change change change change change change change... this change... in three years there’ll be another change.
The sport is losing interest to casual viewers because nobody knows what’s going on.
I’m bored of the changes but this change won’t be the last because everybody will get sick of loop fixtures with the Play-offs and CC and Magic you could play a team six times!
I hope the RFL’s move to Manchester brings some changes to the personnel there because it needs some different ideas.
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| Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "I just don't like the play off system at all, never have done. Top the league, then you're Superleague Champions no ifs buts or maybes for me.'"
In the first 78 seasons of Rugby League Football the champions were decided in a Grand Final 53 times. They were all 1v2 from the league table. All three of our Championships came in Grand Final wins. In two of those three seasons we did not come top of the league.
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| I am aware of this PC, please read my post dated 17/9. I am also aware of the Championship Finals played at Maine Road when we were last crowned champions. I accept that's how it was.
Being aware of these historical facts doesn't change my opinion on how I think on the way that champions should be decided - play each other home and away and whoever tops the league are champions. As I've stated before, I don't expect this to happen, mainly due to the politics of the sky revenue being diluted amongst the current 12 superleague clubs. There's other barriers to this happening.
We don't always get what we want in this life, and people have different views, but it's the RFL who have the job of trying to find a way forward that benefits the game as a whole. It's unlikely that any structure changes will be universally accepted at club level, so there will always be some dissenting voices to how things currently stand. Therefore, we get changes on a regular basis, voted in by promises of cash from sky. My worry is what will happen when this current tv rights deal runs out, especially if there's no alternative bidder.
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| Quote: Wires71 "A fair point and I think most are aware. However just because there was a playoff system in the past does not mean there needs to be one in the future.'"
You are correct, but I only raise it as many seem to think there was a 'golden age' of the champions being decided by their final position in the table, and that it is Sky who have foisted play-offs onto us as the price of the TV money.
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| Quote: Asgardian13 "You are correct, but I only raise it as many seem to think there was a 'golden age' of the champions being decided by their final position in the table, and that it is Sky who have foisted play-offs onto us as the price of the TV money.'"
Immediately Pre Super League it was a standard league system and premiership trophy, so Sky did foist play-offs as the price of TV money.
The RFL is very worried about the next TV deal in 2021. With dwindling viewing figures and attendances the RFL have to act quicky to turn around fortunes. Sky has already bumped SL onto its lesser channel platforms. I think the days of £200M deals * may be in jeopardy.
*www.totalrl.com/ins-outs-super-leagues-lucrative-new-tv-deal/
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| Quote: Asgardian13 "You are correct, but I only raise it as many seem to think there was a 'golden age' of the champions being decided by their final position in the table, and that it is Sky who have foisted play-offs onto us as the price of the TV money.'"
Don't think that I implied anything as such. In fact, I don't think NFU/RL/Superleague has ever had one, just one struggle after another to survive as long as it has.
I'm not a fan of playoffs deciding who are champions, regardless of Sky's involvement, or when they started, finished, or started again.
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| Too many fixtures, what's wrong with playing everyone home and away just once? 22 rounds is enough!
Could mean fewer but more intense games, quality over quantity.
A shorter comp also means league positions can change more easily which adds to the interest each week, the qualifiers is a good example of this.
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| Quote: wire-flyer "Too many fixtures, what's wrong with playing everyone home and away just once? 22 rounds is enough!
Could mean fewer but more intense games, quality over quantity.
A shorter comp also means league positions can change more easily which adds to the interest each week, the qualifiers is a good example of this.'"
I don't think Sky would accept the drop in output (30 games -> 22) unless we introduce a weekly bye for teams.
If you think of it from Sky's perspective they want games that will either support subscriptions or drive advertising revenue and that is all about viewing figures. They also need to fill broadcast space on their channels.
So Sky want more Wigan vs Saints games (for example) and less Huddersfield vs Salford. That is why the playoffs exist to add more of the "big" games.
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