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| Pity it had to end this way for KC when he had Saints blood running through his veins but ,even though he was a top player , not all good players make good coaches. Too many many old boys in the back room too for the fans liking from what i've been hearing.
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| Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "Unfair comparison as Cunningham is a club hero and would have been afforded more time as most saints fans and the club would have desperately wanted him to work out like we did with Cullen , they saw that it was very unlikely that he will win them some silverware in the near future and let him go. Could he return yes most likely, he should never have been given the job in the first place.
reading back some of the posters would give smith a job for life just for getting us to finals !! No requirement to win them just to get there, that's a small club mentality which we need to move away from the grand final victory should be our target every season and anything but is a failure, not the end of the world sack the coach rebuild failure but failure all the same. I'd hazard a guess that over the time smith has been here we would have spent £50m+ Certainly a fair chunk of change and failed to win the gf he has won 3 cc and 2lls so we're paying approx 10m for a trophy acceptable for a gf win maybe but not the second and third their trophy !! I refuse to boast the final defeats as any kind of success or something to be proud of because we did not win them often as favourites and have lead them too !
Not calling for smiths head even if we win the gf I still believe his time is nearing an end and that if someone the club has identified as a suitable replacment becomes available we should make a move hat too does not mean smith leaves the club. He has given us good memories and we've seen some great rugby played under his leadership not in question.'"
Of course it's an unfair comparison, but, I made it in direct response to Wires71 post, particularly where he (I'm paraphrasing here) tells the 'challenger' (to his opinion) that Smith must be judged on what other coaches have won the previous season it's a mitigating circumstance apparently and then goes on to tell us that being above us this season isn't good enough for go ahead ambitious Saints.
They are so ambitious that they have sacked their coach for not winning anything this season it's just not good enough!!
I agree that TS is nearing the end of his tenure but I could also be seen as a staunch, almost blind faith Smith supporter by some, in truth I'm not I just don't always agree (it's allowed both ways) about the measure of success. or what I think is in the club's best interests as far as this most important of positions is.
By all means the club should and will relieve Smith of his duties, but, please let it be planned, let it be when the time is right and let it be when we have a successor lined up. After all succession planning is pointed out as one of his biggest failures, I hope the club's hierarchy do better when the time comes
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| Quote: the flying biscuit "I'm trying to imagine Sally Cinnamon's response....
Surely it will be along the lines of
Not quite. My expectations for Warrington are that we should be a team challenging for trophies and so shouldn't just be taking a punt on ex players as coaches, just because they were good players.
I wonder if Saints will be looking at Michael Monaghan or Lee Briers for their head coaching vacancy, as have been suggested on this forum as replacements for Smith?
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| Quote: Wires71 "Surely they can't sack him as ...
1. It's just a blip they will come good.
2. The players have been low on confidence and in poor form.
3. The performances can never be blamed on the coach.
4. There are no quality replacements available anywhere in the world that would come to SL.
5. There are only small differences between top and bottom.'"
And just like Wire. NO LUCK BUT TRAINING REALLY WELL
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| Quote: Deus Dat Incrementum "I would love it if he was caught on camera in the middle of the night pulling up to his statue on a harley Davidson and slinging his crash helmet at it (a la Rocky III)
I know he caused us a lot of pain over the years but I feel sorry for him in a way. He should have trotted off to coach the under 19's for a few years and then Swinton (or similar) for a year and then Leigh for a few years before coming back to saints. His coaching career is probably over now. He was a great player..
It will be interesting to see who they have lined up.'"
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| Please take Agar off our hands.
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| Just looking on redvee the names in the frame are Justin Morgan, Steve McNamara, Paul Rowley, Geoff Toovey and David Fairleigh. The popular choice would be Daryl Powell but general acceptance that after doing a long rebuilding job with Cas to take them to near the summit he won't want to give them up now and start from scratch again.
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| I really can't see Powell moving from Cas
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| Quote: Bobby_Peru "Please take Agar off our hands.'"
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Not quite. My expectations for Warrington are that we should be a team challenging for trophies and so shouldn't just be taking a punt on ex players as coaches, just because they were good players.
I wonder if Saints will be looking at Michael Monaghan or Lee Briers for their head coaching vacancy, as have been suggested on this forum as replacements for Smith?'"
Yes you pooh poohed my suggestion of a punt on Michael Monaghan after our second Loss (and I've never once suggested Lee Briers BTW).
Quote: sally cinnamon " [2017 and Tony Smith thread] If we go from Tony Smith to a punt on the unknown there are high risks of us sliding down the table, losing players and then looking back and saying the Smith era was great, we lost 2 games and then got rid what a decision.'"
Well we never slid down the table as we couldnt slide any lower, but we got worse and stayed bottom and are only off the bottom by points difference, we drew to a team at home that Salford put fifty odd past away.
oh how you must have laughed at Salford when they got rid of Super Aussie coach Tim Sheens for an ex player with little coaching experience....????
get yourself onto redvee.net and have look at their poll ...the saints fans favourite for the job is David Fairleigh.....some ex player assistant i'm guessing...
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| Fairleigh has had a long apprenticeship now doing 15 years on the coaching staff of various clubs in the NRL so he might be a good shout.
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| Quote: the flying biscuit "Yes you pooh poohed my suggestion of a punt on Michael Monaghan after our second Loss (and I've never once suggested Lee Briers BTW).
Well we never slid down the table as we couldnt slide any lower, but we got worse and stayed bottom and are only off the bottom by points difference, we drew to a team at home that Salford put fifty odd past away.
oh how you must have laughed at Salford when they got rid of Super Aussie coach Tim Sheens for an ex player with little coaching experience....????
get yourself onto redvee.net and have look at their poll ...the saints fans favourite for the job is David Fairleigh.....some ex player assistant i'm guessing...
Give it a couple of games..Smithy will be available..
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Quote: ComeOnYouWolves "So when you say "other clubs coaches silverware achievement the season prior as mitigating circumstances". We should ignore the fact that we got to the Grand Final and CC Final and won the League Leaders Shield, as they are not relevant and shouldnt give Tony Smith some slack?
The fact that we have been to 4 Challenge Cup Finals, Winning 3. Getting to 3 GF's (losing them all) Twice League Leaders Shield winners. We have recent history of getting to finals. Why would we not trust in keeping our coach who has provided us with the best memories i have ever had as a Wire fan. Yes we have had a bad start, we may or may not come good but i am still behind our Coach, Team and Club.'"
I am not doubting the success 2009-2012. The best rugby I have seen us play and winning Challenge Cups. The stuff of dreams. But then the demise started as Smith could not assemble a team as good as the one he inherited. The great players went and were not replaced.
I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion of how important the League Leaders Shield is. The club don't seem to think our 2016 achievement worthy enough to put on the official website. https://warringtonwolves.com/wolves-her ... b-honours/
Why not outline what you remember of our great successes in 2013/2014/2015?
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Quote: ComeOnYouWolves "So when you say "other clubs coaches silverware achievement the season prior as mitigating circumstances". We should ignore the fact that we got to the Grand Final and CC Final and won the League Leaders Shield, as they are not relevant and shouldnt give Tony Smith some slack?
The fact that we have been to 4 Challenge Cup Finals, Winning 3. Getting to 3 GF's (losing them all) Twice League Leaders Shield winners. We have recent history of getting to finals. Why would we not trust in keeping our coach who has provided us with the best memories i have ever had as a Wire fan. Yes we have had a bad start, we may or may not come good but i am still behind our Coach, Team and Club.'"
I am not doubting the success 2009-2012. The best rugby I have seen us play and winning Challenge Cups. The stuff of dreams. But then the demise started as Smith could not assemble a team as good as the one he inherited. The great players went and were not replaced.
I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion of how important the League Leaders Shield is. The club don't seem to think our 2016 achievement worthy enough to put on the official website. https://warringtonwolves.com/wolves-her ... b-honours/
Why not outline what you remember of our great successes in 2013/2014/2015?
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| It's a poison chalice...
KC has said there was no money available to him.
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| Lets hope saints dont swoop in and take John Kear from right under our noses.
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