Watch 2009 again.
Never seen Warrington so switch on and attack minded in a single game since Boyd's memorable Premiership win v Halifax.

So what does TS do....play Myler who hasn't got the natural ability but has bags of confidence & thinks he's undroppable.....or play G O'B who's got natural ability but not much confidence due to TS dropping him or shipping out to different clubs. A run of games would do G O'Bs confidence & in due course game & attacking skills the world of good. Mylers supposed to be one of our main playmakers & is one of our highest paid players.

I find it hard to believe no attacking plays are coached. You surely videos are watched and discussions had over what play should have occurred. Also surely grubber kicks are practiced. Corner kicks. Inside balls etc.

You can coach when exactly to use a plAy. But you can practice the skills.

Senior players are supposed to be so proficient at skills that they are then a technique. However, it is always good to go over core skills even with the best players.

I think the point was Tony Smith likes players to play what they see and work an opposition out rather than running fixed, robotic set plays.

Like the one that saw Briscoe walk through the middle of our defense on friday to score under the posts.

That wasn't a set play, that was something the opposition had noticed (that our forwards were looking tired and losing concentration) thus bringing in Briscoe close to the ruck to exploit their lack of lateral movement.

Or are you suggesting that was being planned from kick-off?

A move is different than a set play. The vision to decide what to do when is not really something that can be coached into players.

I've never been to a Warrington coaching session, so my comments are not borne from experience but what on earth is it that Tony Smith and his coaching staff do then, if no-one is "coached"???? They are not playing Fantasy Rugby League Manager!

I cannot believe that instinct is relied upon to get us through games. It has to play a part and that is what is being missed from the likes of Lee Briers (go yourself, kick to the wing, grubber kick, chip and chase, pass) but there are 13 other players on the field at any one time with exactly the same choices to make.

I have been HUGELY disappointed at our lack of finishing so far this season (only two games, I know) but there doesn't appear to be ANY clue as to what to do when we get 20 metres or so from an opposition's try line. Benny Westwood's try against Leeds is the exception to this rule.

Our opponents are easily going to realise that our only attacking move is kicking it high and wide for Joel to pounce upon. This worked fortunately against Leeds as Ryan Hall wasn't on his game, but I have nightmares that Joel misses and the opposition winger picks up the ball and has an empty field ahead of him to the try line!

I am looking for Michael Monaghan, Richie Myler, Gareth O'Brien, Micky Higham and/or Stefan Ratchford (Matty Russell when fit) to be those players who are "controlling" our attack as we reach these positions, but no one so far has come up with the goods.

im suggesting its a move that has been rehed on the training ground. Its then something that can be called on at anytime in a game.. so yes, it was a set play.

Leeds didn't just think 'oh lets try this thing we have never done before ever'.

I disagree. I think Hardaker was running laterally looking for a) space himself or b) a runner. Briscoe saw this and provided a committed line in between two defenders which, when he got the ball from Hardaker, split us in two.

This, I think, isn't a set move more of an instinctive play between two very good players.

I disagree, he ran onto a short ball aimed at a weak spot in our defense.

I think that kind of move can be rehed and modified accordingly during a game to aim at a particular spot.

That is not 'a play' or 'a move' it is simply a simple carry towards the middle, only for Waterhouse to close his shoulders in. As soon as Briscoe sees that, it's just simple push and pass. Touch rugby will bring that skill set to anyone, even us.

What Mark is saying is that scripted plans are thing of the past in favour of playing what is in front, for example, a bad read or a number manipulation set.

IMO, we tried to be too structured. Too many times we went to the link around the back play when the defence is doing something else

Accepted, but pinpointing tiring defence cannot surely be coached as no-one on a training field can re-create the scenario as there are so many variables. Personally I think it was Briscoe seeing an opportunity, running the correct line and Hardaker seeing the pass and angle of run and released it bang on time.

I remember Riley, cant for the life of me remember who against, scooting from dummy half and doing exactly the same move a few years back releasing one of our outside backs before following up and getting it back to score. Surely this wasn't a move that Chris Riley rehes and is just 'instinctive running' by two players?

its all about opinions... When i used to play, we used to regularly practice putting the fastest player from our team through with a short ball in training.

The move would often be aimed at the side of the pitch that had done the most defending... It was often a tactic to pepper one side of the defense, then try these rehed moved on this side.

We also used to practice the short ball on the inside off a run around in the same places

These were done so we could use them on both sides of the pitch using 3 different passers of the short ball, same receiver every time.

Pinpointing a tiring defense can be coached and is... well it was anyway... and coached to us by professional players at the time.

Maybe these methods aren't used anymore.... looked like it to me though.

Really?

Wigan seemed to do ok last season with rehed set moves.

Two posters in 'amicably agree to disagree' shocker!!

Aren't we meant to fall out and call each other names, like so often happens on these forums?