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| Why do people keep on king bashing no matter how well he plays? He made a try saving tackle against celtic which could have only been made by a totaly committed player 
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| Quote langer the king="langer the king"Why do people keep on king bashing no matter how well he plays? He made a try saving tackle against celtic which could have only been made by a totaly committed player
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thats so true!
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| Quote langer the king="langer the king"Why do people keep on king bashing no matter how well he plays? He made a try saving tackle against celtic which could have only been made by a totaly committed player
'" He made a try saving tackle and that makes him committed............................course it does. 
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| Quote bombheadwire="bombheadwire"why would we get rid of a GB player thats what i dont get.
its not like hes been playing shocking aswell.
somethings gone on here!
do we need the cash? i dout it.
why get rid of gleeson and get mathers who is worse?'"
Because Tony Smith doesn't want him. End of.
And with regard to King; if we have to play him at centre we ARE doomed.
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| Quote the ditch="the ditch"He made a try saving tackle and that makes him committed............................course it does.
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it shows hes trying to show commitment is that not what we want.
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| Quote mark_m="mark_m"Because Tony Smith doesn't want him. End of.
And with regard to King; if we have to play him at centre we ARE doomed.'"
but why does smith not want him?
what has he done wrong thats what i want to know you dont just flog off a GB player coz you dont like them.
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| Quote bombheadwire="bombheadwire"it shows hes trying to show commitment is that not what we want.'"
Maybe some skill, talent and ability as well? You never know he might just step up to the plate now Gleeson has gone.
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| langer the king wrote
Yeah how can anyone question his commitment when he made a tackle in a match ?  ?  ?  ? 
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| Heard and read lots about Gleeson not giving his all and / or not caring etc etc.
I think a lot of that is just rubbish.
I agree with him when he says it's time to move on and he's disappointed about not winning medals.
But look at the strike rate of him and his wingers and it's pretty good - whether that's Fa'afili, Hicks or Riley.
It's easy for people to say he's a bad apple etc etc but probably not many know the real state of affairs.
It is time for him to move on and hopefully get success at Wigan - but not at our expense!
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| when he signed for us he had a face on.
you could just tell he didnt even want to be at the wire.
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| you must be be stupid to think we have done bad out off this deal
Gleeson hasnt set the world alight at the Hj so to get 100k and a player of the caliber of Mathers is a good bit of business
i see Mathers as no more than a squad player fighting it out for the fb spot with Riely i do think TS sees Riely as the number one for now
as Gleesons replacement no rush no point in spending money for the sake of it as mentioned before grix bridge v andderson can all play and if people stop bashing King then i think he can do a job there
It seems to me Mathers as already been not accepted by the wire fans before a ball has been kicked so lets give the lad a chance before we slate him
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| Quote bombheadwire="bombheadwire"when he signed for us he had a face on.
you could just tell he didnt even want to be at the wire.'"
Spoke to him a few days after he'd signed and he seemed not to know why he'd ended up here (my take - implication was that the money was right for Saints and he didn't lose out but the 'betting' issue meant that either Long or Gleeson would go).
I can't honestly say 'he had a face on him'.
It was almost as though his agent had negotiated a deal and he was a pawn in it.
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