I keep hearing the calls for Mcguire to start prop rather than Kasiano but the fact is he is not a prop and has barely played many minutes this season as it is. To me there is no reason why Kasiano could not start. I agree he is best suited as an impact prop but St Helens Wolf’s post has it spot on. out 1-13 is arguably nearly full strength and we struggled from the off. Wigan had the better game plan full stop. There is some right guff talked on here about the players we have missing. If any of those had played on friday night i have no doubt the result would have been the same.

McGuire has played as a starting prop in a State of Origin game, so I think he could play there for Wire if we need him there.

As I mentioned in a previous post, both Vaughan and Kasiano knew that nothing was on the bench to help them and had to conserve their energy. Neither could play their normal game from the start of the game knowing that.

I'm also all for hearing the views of sensible opposition fans, I'm one of the few who appreciates Saddened's regular contributions on here, but these Wiganers are merely here to gloat in a patronising way.

Do you reckon they'd have been seen on here had they got beat on Friday?

In fairness to Powell it seems he instructed the team to kick early which weirdly we never did. Couple of times in the first half we had a scrum in our ten, French was up in the line and it was the perfect opportunity to launch the ball long straight from the scrum and chase it. Worst case scenario it has Wigan back in their ten in wet conditions. Considering how much we were struggling for yardage I thought it would’ve be a no-brainier. Hopefully they’ll learn.

I think that sums it up perfectly. By the way, I think you will beat Saints if Powell selects the right team.

Exactly. Powell and his coaching staff got it wrong.

McGuire played as a prop anyway, he just had a different number on his back.

One of the major problems you have, which I don’t think anyone has touched on, is your outside backs are lightweight and consequently they make few yards coming out of their own 20. Saints are the best at this, even on GF their backs made unbelievable yardage, their forwards very little. Wigan have learned from that and now we have two centres and two wingers who regularly put us on the front foot (Field’s injury has allowed the inclusion of Miski and that has improved our yardage). On a dry patch you will be better, but come the September rain you may struggle unless your game plan changes.

Hmm you’re not correct there. Ashton is an excellent metre maker and Thewlis is also pretty decent considering his size. Give me either of those two over Miski any day of the week. We could do with a bullocking centre though which I believe is in the pipeline.

Loose forwards usually play a lot more minutes than props, so they do have a different way of playing the game, so that they can stay on the field so much longer.

Many 13`s play for the full game duration, props seldom do..

That may be true but it was the coaches choice, one that I found strange. By the way, the role of a loose forward has changed dramatically, I am not sure they exist any more and if they do he doesn’t fall into that category.

Miski 156m

If that’s what you want in a winger knock yourself out