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Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "ok so at what point do we decide that smith is not the man to win us the gf?? 10 years of being the nearly men ??? getting to finals is great but its winning them that counts, if we had been robbed in a final or were on the end of some harsh decisions maybe but we have been ahead and lost in finals too many times.


my point is that given the previous 8/9 years incharge we look nowhere near even capable of winning one, and the team today is not a patch on the 2012 team so he has had his chance and not taken it. if Powell Bennet or any other top grade manager becomes available why should we not try to get them to come to warrington?? I don't think theres an immediate rush to replace smith however the reasoning not to does not make sense to me. any new coach or manager would be a risk if they have won a cup does not mean that they will win cups with us same way that a manager who has won noting wouldn't be able to get a side to win the gf. harking back a few years for the cc wins as a reason to keep him on. if smith was as good as some would have us believe then every other team in the super league would be desperate to sign him as would many nrl clubs but they are not.

again I'm nit calling for his immediate sacking but think that its time the club started to look and sound out possible replacements for him irrespective of if he wins a trophy or not this year, the replacement may agree to a move in two years or something not everyone can just walk away from contracts a la denny!!!'"


Exactly my view. I want Smith to sort the obvious deficiencies. Other clubs manage to have a decent backline within the same salary cap.

There is a point though where, surely, if winning the GF is the club's objective that we need to change something if we continually fail to do so. I merely suggested perhaps the end of this season is the time. Seems to me opinion is split and bizarrely some are quite happy for the situation to continue ad mortem.

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Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "does our future manager need to have won a grand final or an nrl final?? or do the club need to believe that that the new guy can win the gf with warrington.

Powell is mentioned a lot would we be more of an attacking threat with him in charge probably [iyes, would we have a tactically astute manager that can set his team up to play the opposition[/i yes these are two things that we are lacking at the moment and if look back over smiths time these have been deficiencies in most of his warrington teams, he was lucky to have had the players he had in 2011/12 as we had some intelligent rugby players today thats not the case.'"


Is this no exactly what TS did in the match against Brisbane? Or at Wembley against Huddersfield or Leeds (twice)?

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The main problem seems to be that Cas did to us what we did to Brisbane the week before, fast out of the blocks & took them apart in the first half.

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Quote: Asgardian13 "Is this no exactly what TS did in the match against Brisbane? Or at Wembley against Huddersfield or Leeds (twice)?'"


I think it's the three GF losses which spring to mind.

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Daryl Powell hasn't been in a Grand Final, he's had two Challenge Cup finals and lost both.

If he had got Castleford to three Grand Finals and lost them all would that make him a less attractive option for us compared to never having been there.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Daryl Powell hasn't been in a Grand Final, he's had two Challenge Cup finals and lost both.

If he had got Castleford to three Grand Finals and lost them all would that make him a less attractive option for us compared to never having been there.'"


Why has this debate conflated the issue of "When is Smiths time up" and the relative merits of Daryl Powell?

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Quote: Wires71 "Why has this debate conflated the issue of "When is Smiths time up" and the relative merits of Daryl Powell?'"

Agreed, this (as I see it) is not a discussion for winding up the tenure of TS but one aimed at resolving the obvious deficiencies in the current squad and in particular the starting 17.

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Maybe Mr Smith thought the better recruitment option for this season would be to load up with mobile young forwards who could interchange into playing centre if necessary. Maybe his preferred option when his players are fit will be a choice between Ratchford & Currie among his starting threequarters ,& isn't Matty Blyth also a centre cum second row.
Either way,i'm sure Tony is more than pleased for the advice offered on this forum.

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Quote: ninearches "Maybe Mr Smith thought the better recruitment option for this season would be to load up with mobile young forwards who could interchange into playing centre if necessary. Maybe his preferred option when his players are fit will be a choice between Ratchford & Currie among his starting threequarters ,& isn't Matty Blyth also a centre cum second row.
Either way,i'm sure Tony is more than pleased for the advice offered on this forum.'"


Loading up with young forwards who drop into the centre position is a wonderful idea, but not dropping out of form players is the exact opposite and that the crux of the debate, I look forward to watching Dominic and Andre racing through the line and putting their respective winger in for the tries.

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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "I enjoy your posts on here and I like your thinking.

To me, fans of all sport and especially the media and a lot of coaches are loath to accept that 'luck' plays a huge part in creating winners and losers. If Gidley had taken a better option on the last play in the GF Tony Smith would have been a winning coach. Nothing whatsoever to do with Smith of course. And Wane would have lost three finals in a row and would have been branded (by many Wigan fans as a 'bottler') as a serial loser.

Coaches pick the team and prepare the tactics and then once the game starts it's out of their hands and subject to the bounce of the ball, refereeing decisions and players making uncharacteristic errors.

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Except Gidley routinely chooses the wrong option, which was a criticism of him throughout his NRL career and hasn't changed in SL... so no it is nothing to do with luck when he did the same thing again in the grand final.

Warrington failing to win a grand final hasn't been because of bad luck, it has been down to under performing/poor player selection... which is down to the coach.

But as people have already said, a lot of fans are more than happy with finishing high up in the league and making the odd final appearence.

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Quote: ninearches "
Either way,i'm sure Tony is more than pleased for the advice offered on this forum.'"


He'll sure be happier with that than the league position he finds himself in.

Seriously if Matty Blythe becomes a 3/4 option then it's all gone to pot.

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Quote: Wires71 "He'll sure be happier with that than the league position he finds himself in.

Seriously if Matty Blythe becomes a 3/4 option then it's all gone to pot.'"


Matty Blythe is a slower version of Rhys Evans, they don't have half a rugby brain between them.

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Gordon Bennett - the guy hasn't even played for us since he returned and he's getting stick.

That's forums I suppose.....

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Quote: fez1 "Gordon Bennett - the guy hasn't even played for us since he returned and he's getting stick.

That's forums I suppose.....'"

I found myself at Rochdale v Halifax on Sunday afternoon; Blythe had an absolute shocker. Last year, Bradford fans had very few good words to say about him. So unless you are aware of something which I am missing, forgive me for struggling to understand where or how he will fit into a squad which has to be winning Super League this year!

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Quote: Ganson's Optician "I found myself at Rochdale v Halifax on Sunday afternoon; Blythe had an absolute shocker. Last year, Bradford fans had very few good words to say about him. So unless you are aware of something which I am missing, forgive me for struggling to understand where or how he will fit into a squad which has to be winning Super League this year!'"


At the time of his signing my immediate assumption was that he had been signed to form part of the reserve squad. By all accounts he is a good trainer and has a good attitude, the right sort of guy we need in that set up.

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