Quote: Lord Tony Smith "The crux of it is Price used to let them leave training early sometimes for their other businesses and meetings. Powell put a stop to that (and rightly so) and Cooper and others don’t like it.'" So Hill with a plumbing business. (https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... a-plumber/) Cooper with a clothing and T-shirt business (https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... -clothing/) Philbin with a socks / sportswear business. (https://gripzofficial.com/pages/our-story) Any more?

Quote: Lord Tony Smith "The crux of it is Price used to let them leave training early sometimes for their other businesses and meetings. Powell put a stop to that (and rightly so) and Cooper and others don’t like it.'" So Hill with a plumbing business. (https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... a-plumber/) Cooper with a clothing and T-shirt business (https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/ne ... -clothing/) Philbin with a socks / sportswear business. (https://gripzofficial.com/pages/our-story) Any more?

Exactly, if we were tearing it up every season with multiple GF wins you could make an argument that it's not affecting the team. But we ain't.

It must have been the wild west under Price.

Was it all Price though? We’ve been saying for years that we are too ‘nice’ as a club. There have been rumours that management and the owners are too close the players and that we’ve forgotten our clubs Raison D’Etre… to win trophies, not be the nice guys.

I’m all for responsible employment, but if Powell wants the players to put winning and the team/club ahead of side businesses, then that’s fine by me. At least until we have a few grand final wins under our belt and a world class youth production line.

How many hours a week do RL players spend at the club? About 20?

Plenty of time to train for another vocation/start a business without it affecting club commitments.

I just asked a question. I don't know or speculate on what the acceptable rights & wrongs within the club are or who is extracting the urine.

Not a problem with your question BTW.

The irony is that their off field success is probably linked to their on field reputation. I'm not suggesting that either have done anything to tarnish that, but a successful Wire and international honours, what great marketing

Exactly this. Im hearing certain players been asked to do things by Powell and them making excuses like 'ive got a business to run' and just leaving....if that's what they want to do then good riddance for me. I understand they need to things like this for their futures. However, bottom line is they are Full Time rugby league players and should act as such. Well done Mr Powell i say....

If we are in this position same time next year, then il start to worry.

Doesn’t Charnley have his own player agency. Not running it but owning it.
Him being a client of his own agency!?

Quote: rubber duckie "Doesn’t Charnley have his own player agency. Not running it but owning it. Him being a client of his own agency!?'" Don't think so. Distinct Rugby Management is run by Iestyn Harris. https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 1/officers

Quote: rubber duckie "Doesn’t Charnley have his own player agency. Not running it but owning it. Him being a client of his own agency!?'" Don't think so. Distinct Rugby Management is run by Iestyn Harris. https://find-and-update.company-informa ... 1/officers

There is a lot of sense in that sidelines story. If Powell wants players spending more time in the club and less time doing side projects, that makes a lot of sense. When Briers was here his Twitter seemed to suggest he was on the golf course by midday every day, which rankled after a bad defeat.

But regardless of it being right or wrong, why are the comms so bad about this stuff? Why is there no public explanation of what the strategy is, or why we are seeing very senior players who HAVE performed well for the club over many years suddenly joining rivals? I think it's really poor and I would be prepared to give Powell a lot more support if I understood what the plan is I am supposed to be supporting.

Charnley has a farm.

Who are the others?

I think Powell needs to tread carefully if he's being too dogmatic. He is a respected coach but he hasn't won any trophies and he's dealing with players who have.

Privileges like being allowed to leave early to pursue other things should be contingent on performance. Personally in the case of Cooper I'd be happy to allow him to do other stuff as long as he maintains his standards. He's a leading SL front rower, those are hard to come by, he's got a long track record of performance, so accommodate him and make him happy. If his performances start to dip you have to have a quiet word and say look I support you but I'm going to have to take away some of those privileges till you get back to your old level.

I don't think in the case of Cooper we're dealing with a bratty prima donna, if we were he wouldn't be going to Wigan. Something has gone wrong somewhere.

If this is true then Powell is absolutely correct and I'll happily accept 11th place at the end of the season if that is what it is going to take to change the culture.