I think that’s the nail on the head. The sign of a good coach is when he constantly improves players and develops them into very good/great players. Under Price I’d argue only King and Philbin have improved. As you say Cooper and Clark are international players (one is world class) so there should always be improvement irrespective of who the coach is.

It's like if you take Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool for example. He signs decent/good players all the time (never superstars barring Thiago) with the likes of Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Robertson, Gomez, Fabinho, Jota, van Dijk, Alisson etc but has made them into brilliant/world class players and does it year on year.

Shaun Wane is another one who constantly improves decent players and develops them into really good players.

So. Rumours are that Widdop is going West tigers next season inAussie press

Already discussed on here matey, we've said he's not on our Radar at Wests as i think Brooks and Doueihi will be our halves next season. But if we could pick him up cheap we might not pass him up. So you never know

I see Joe Greenwood has signed for Huddersfield, two comments on that regard.

- If Watson can bring Joe Greenwoods performances up to his potential that many people have talked about, he will have done exactly what we have been discussing above, couldn't see Price pulling that one off.

- Watson was said to be very interested in bringing Josh Jones to Huddersfield again, but they now have Greenwood, McQueen, Kenny Edwards and Joe Wardle at least signed up for next year, would a move for Jones look unlikely now? Unless the move would include one of those players going in the other direction in a swap deal, Hudds look loaded for backrowers now. I think Jones would be a very good signing for us, but cap space would be the problem. Would BMM, Gelling, Patton & Johnson out enable us to sign Inglis, Mulhern, Butler and Jones? Seems pushing it, unless there is movement in the Widdop or Latu / Sita situations.

You never know but i doubt it unless we finally move Widdop and Latu on, has anybody heard anything about Livett has he not already signed somewhere else or have i missed an announcement? His contract with us ended this year didn't it so he's off our books aswell?

I assume he was already off our salary cap, as he was on a season long loan.

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Not heard of Livett or Patton officially yet. Intrigued to see what is happening with the former as I think he's got a career somewhere in Super League

Yeah i think Livett has all the makings to be a brilliant 13, i thought Hull KR would have kept him.and i heard rumours of Salford picking him up unless that's a no go with Watson leaving?

Official now, Livett to Salford. Damn shame and in the same week as Johnson a fairly stark illustration of how we handle and develop youth.

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2 year deal.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-drago ... 233b2ebeea Part way down is about Widdop.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/mole-drago ... 233b2ebeea Part way down is about Widdop.

Yeh, bit odd our CEO making these kind of comments and not our coach.

Karl runs the business, Price runs the team. Unless Steve is negotiating the price of sausage rolls for when we eventually get back to the HJ?

Fantastic we really haven't given Fitzpatrick and Price enough stick. Wonderful to see it on the agenda again. (NOT)
Blimey come on gents!

It sounds a bit passive-aggressive from KF. Did he allow Widdop to look for other options or not? If Widdop is unhappy over here, and wanted to reunite with his young family in Aus, then its a difficult situation for him, now that that hasn't happened and he has to come back here. Surely it would have been better to say something like we'll be supporting Gareth in anyway we can to make his time in Warrington a success, and I know he'll handle this like the great professional he has been over his whole career.

Saying "we're expecting great things" kind of means, "we aren't expecting great things but we want to be able to be bitchy about it and criticise him if he doesn't dominate this season", and all this stuff about "put the rumour and innuendo behind him"....its not him that is starting the rumours is it.

I was hoping Widdop would find another club down under, it would have been better for him, and better for us too if he's a big earner because in my opinion he's not the player he was. But if he's back lets support him and make the best of it. As long as he gives his best, even if he's past his best.

KF seems unnecessarily snarky there.

But I'm expecting "great things" from Fitzpatrick this season, its time for him to put all the big talk behind him and deliver a Super League title, or else lets move on.