And neither of those are fantastic.

Honestly, ive been on a few other RL teams websites and we are light years behind.

Everytime I go on it these days I am bombarded with offers to purchase this or that. Its too much I tell thee.

I think there are links to the club shop, tickets, hospitality etc from the main page. They should be used instead of clogging up the main page which should be reserved for relevant team/player/coach/club information.

One day I might open up a thread started by you or your interlocutor on this one and it might say something we haven't heard before. In my wildest dreams, it might even be positive. Then again, I might not.

Why on earth have you started this thread? We know you think it's rubbish. You've said it often enough. Take it up with the club rather than bleating on here. Just moaning doesn't make you a better fan.

TANCW - Please dont bother opening threads started by me. You have complained about me often enough and should know better. Just moaning about me doesn't make you a better poster.

Nor does moaning about the same things over and over again, though, to be fair.

Today alone, you've complained about the club site, Catalans and Celtic's inclusion in Super League, Jimmy Lowes, the club's matchday policy and had a pop at Gary Skent, Ian 77 and TANCW. None of which haven't been done before.

Yesterday he gave it a go talking about rugby. Unfortunately all that did was expose that his knowledge was extremely limited eg Monaghan thread.

He's reverted to what he's good at.

Might i suggest you pop all that and anything else you're concerned about in the email that Mr Spruce suggested you send him last week.

That is unless you've already sent that off.

Mr Spruce is just playing silly games cat.

He read my original post yet he has done bugger all about it.

That speaks volumes.

In what respect?

Come on at least back up your defamatory comment with some kind of evidence/facts.

I like the way that you get harrassed on here if you have the nerve to go against the grain or dare to think outside the box

Mr Spruce has offered to communicate directly with you about your concerns. You have declined that offer - perhaps for fear of revealing your identity to him. You have declined the offer.

That speaks volumes.

SEB, with respect, there wasn't alot more I had to say. There was no need for any further communication.

I don't see how our club site is "light years behind" our rivals?

I don't visit the official site very often so I've just been on to have a look. The first thing that flashed up in front of me was a big advert about the Catalans match with a link to click to buy tickets.

I've gone onto the main page and within about 10 seconds of looking at the page I can see a big link taking me to all the club news, facility to browse items in the club shop without going onto a separate frame, read a match report of last weeks game, see details of the next match, vote in a poll on who was best player last week, see the league table, info on going to the Barca game, the Murrayfield magic, World Club Challenge. Then down the side I can get instant info on how to be a sponsor or get corporate hospitality, view all the fixtures of Liverpool reserves, various bits of other info and the club and comprehensive player biographies (plus coaching profiles) including all the players' career statistics.

Your argument that the club site is "light years behind" seems to be based on the fact that it doesn't have weekly interviews with players and coaches (which we read every week in various newspapers anyway) and a reserve team fixture list. I agree reserve team fixtures should be on there but this is a minor improvement which could be made, not evidence of a substandard website.

As for the site constantly trying to flog stuff, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but I haven't seen any of this, I was expecting a load of pop ups to come up telling me about online gambling opportunities or how to find sexy singles in my area but the only adverts I can see are details on getting tickets to RL matches or how to get the club mobile or facebook thing. Thats hardly selling out to commercialisation its informing the fans of club or RFL related products, it's known as marketing.

TANCW, I dont classify myself as defensive or agressive. I always read and respect what others say and If i feel strongly about something then I will put forward a valid and reasoned case.

Maybe me and a few others on here feel harrassed cos as soon as we say something different then people (the same old people all the time) jump on our backs and abuse us.

Dont dare say it doesn't happen cos it does and dont dare make any excuses for it because its inexcusable.

I dont care if no one likes me on here but I do demand a right to free speech without the associated abuse/agro.