Demonstrates again how a fans we judge purely on performance when there can be so much else going on in their lives which can (when looked at objectively) understandably impact on performance. I’m as guilty as most in thinking of players as machines who should be able to perform at peak level for 80 minutes a week. As I’ve grown older and seen friends fall prey to nasty, life threatening diseases it has certainly given me pause to think.
That’s not to say that once the season starts I won’t be baying for blood, especially if it’s a player I didn’t think we should sign in the first place eg Peter Mat….

So why did he still get a starting shirt when he wasn't mentally able to give his best? Wouldn't it have been best for him and the club, if he was given time off to resolve whatever the issues were and to come back when his mind was fully tuned in to game day.

Think what it is like as a parent sat in the stands listening to it

Never had a problem at amateur level, but professional is a different ball game, speckies pay their money and are entitled to their opinion, switch off and sit away, that’s what I tend to do, the Saints away game with an unnamed Warrington players dad with a Saints fan was a classic, never seen a fan wish the ground would open up, classic handled it better than I would have done

Me too cheers

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Let me get this straight, the concept being discussed here is that spectators cannot pass negative comments on a player's performance (own team or opposition) in case their parents/guardians/family are in earshot?

Does the same apply for written comments?

What about critique of referee, CEOs, sports commentators etc?

Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "Guardian did an article on Dudson last month, he commented on his form, they he had problems getting his kids/family over here with French passports which messed with his head'" And his child had bronchitis. https://www.totalrl.com/warrington-wolv ... is-future/

Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "Guardian did an article on Dudson last month, he commented on his form, they he had problems getting his kids/family over here with French passports which messed with his head'" And his child had bronchitis. https://www.totalrl.com/warrington-wolv ... is-future/

No that is not what I was discussing.
The first point was that players have other stuff going on in their lives that can impact on perfornance, not suggesting they can’t be criticised.
The second point was as a parent it must be very difficult not to react to criticism abuse.
I didn’t think either point was controversial.

Fair enough. I think it is difficult for all parents if their child is criticized in whatever discipline. It is magnified when the child has a public role like a pro sportsman or MP etc.

General question - When does this become abuse though? Shouting "get him off the field" to a player that is putting in repeated poor performances - is that abuse? Remarking to a mate "Peter Matautia is crap isn't he" and being overheard - is that abuse?

kr signed catalans halfback, catalans have signed KR's halfback to replace him

personally, i'd say the line could be(and we've seen this in the last 2 seasons) me stood in the midst of the southstand complaining about matautia, as part of the throng is just noise.

The absolute weapons that go down to the ad boards 5 minutes before the end of the game so they can shout and yell specificly at individuals after the game, protected by the barrier/stewards is where it crosses the line, its happened way too much in the south stand and away games in 22 and the 2nd half of , and its the same 6-10 people who for the most part are actually quite easily identifiable. i imagine this is repeated in the other stands, or appears to have been, certainly with the incidents in 2022.