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Quote: Gazwire "Sorry, this is bull. You accused me of insulting you, I was certain I hadn't, I asked you to prove it and you couldn't. Sorry, but I won't stand for BS like this.

I'll ask you again then, find me the post where I insulted you. (Money on no response).'"

Why do you always end up arguing with multiple people on here mate? Just take a chill pill and give the word “insult” a rest for a few days eh.

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You can't fault the effort last night & if some of the individual breaks had come off maybe the score line would at least have been more respectable. Unfortunately, the perennial problems let us down, not making enough progress up field on sets of six, losing too much ground when defending sets then getting the ball back in the wrong part of the field & panic play leading to handling errors. This is a culture that has been with us for several seasons now & this is a culture that needs eradicating. It will interesting to see what difference our incoming potential penalty machine props make.
As for this season ,the table doesn't lie.

I say Mods ,would it be an idea to set up a separate mutual insult forum to stop threads getting bogged down with such ? It could be called "Behind the bike sheds after school".

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Quote: Barbed Wire "Because that would still be worse than where we were when we got rid of a coach who was deemed not good enough and/or not doing a good enough job.

Make changes to improve, not go back 2 places on the table.

If the coach is as good as we’re led to believe, he can get the best out of the squad that HE has selected, and therefore compete with those clubs you mention.

If we can’t compete with those clubs, just don’t spend the money. There’s no point in being an expensive 5th, 6th or 7th. Might as well be a locally produced and developing 10th with a view of organic growth.'"


You do realise that certain teams have improved since then so the picture has changed. It happens all the time you know.

I'll ask you the same question, see if you can answer it properly this time:
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE DISPACING ANY OF SAINTS, WIGAN, CATALANS AND LEEDS NEXT SEASON? THESE 4 ARE SIMILARLY RESOURCED TO US, ARE ALREADY MORE ESTABLISHED, AND ALREADY HAVE GOOD COACHES?
EXPLAIN WHY IF ITS NOT SELF ENTITLEMENT?

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Quote: DallasMead2 "Why do you always end up arguing with multiple people on here mate? Just take a chill pill and give the word “insult” a rest for a few days eh.'"


Because I can't stand spoilt, self entitled fans.

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Quote: Gazwire "You do realise that certain teams have improved since then so the picture has changed. It happens all the time you know.

I'll ask you the same question, see if you can answer it properly this time

Why is it now self entitlement, when you yourself justify this rebuild by the predecessors team beating these teams and therefore a relegation battle is necessary so we can actually then complete with them? You have said that a team finishing 3rd and getting knocked out of the playoffs or cup by Cas, Salford and Hull KR means that this is necessary. So surely the end product of this rebuild is to compete and best these teams? Otherwise what is it for?

You’ll point at the volume of changes as mitigation, but this was manufactured by the coach, it’s all by design. So why can’t we expect to compete with them? We’ve signed players from Catalan and Wigan, we’ve signed current NRL players. Add that to the group of hand picked players that he will have worked with for 12 months at the start of next season, why should 5th be acceptable?

The coach has picked the squad in its entirety, aside from Currie, Clark and Mulhearn. The coach has picked the coaching team. We have exceptional training facilities, a strong reserve team and academy.

This isn’t entitlement, it’s what the board should expect as a return for the investment. I’m not saying that we must win everything, not at all. But we should be competing with these teams. If not, then the project has failed, as the club will have regressed.

Your point in itself is contradictory. Wigan’s coach has been in post for the same amount of time as Powell, and is similarly resourced. Leeds have a newer coach, and are similarly resourced. So why can’t we compete with these? We are at the same or further advanced in our project, are we not?

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Quote: Gazwire "Because I can't stand spoilt, self entitled fans.'"

Don’t post on here then, that could work for us all.

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Quote: DallasMead2 "Don’t post on here then, that could work for us all.'"


I'm not standing by and letting a whole load of spoilt brats come on here unchallenged. It's embarrassing to my club.

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Let's be honest, we would all take 5th next season. It would represent a massive upturn from where we are now. BUT 5th next year has to come with some signs that better things may be possible for 2024 and good playoff performances.

I want a team capable of beating everybody else if they play to their potential, I want to see better defence and attack, a LOT more composure in attack and defence and most importantly a massive amount more self confidence and confidence in each other, the fragility has to dissappear for us to compete. To get there we will need a tactical kicking game to make sure opposing teams start their sets on the back foot or at least control field position a lot more, a more aggressive defensive line (should be addressed with the new pack), players supporting attacking breaks, desperate to beat the defense up the field to make the most of line break gains and an aggressive defensive line.

If we lose next week he should go, if we survive but aren't looking like a much improved team unit all round after 5 games next season then he should go. I quite like the rebuild job, recruitment looks good but I really don't like the lack of improvement on our frailties week on week.

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I'm sick to death of Gazwire on here.

I reckon everyone will agree with me with the exception of Dita's Slot Meter that Gazwire is a complete prick

Happy to be banned for life to get away from his laughable and insane posts.

Powell is a prick as well.

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Quote: Barbed Wire "Why is it now self entitlement, when you yourself justify this rebuild by the predecessors team beating these teams and therefore a relegation battle is necessary so we can actually then complete with them? You have said that a team finishing 3rd and getting knocked out of the playoffs or cup by Cas, Salford and Hull KR means that this is necessary. So surely the end product of this rebuild is to compete and best these teams? Otherwise what is it for?

You’ll point at the volume of changes as mitigation, but this was manufactured by the coach, it’s all by design. So why can’t we expect to compete with them? We’ve signed players from Catalan and Wigan, we’ve signed current NRL players. Add that to the group of hand picked players that he will have worked with for 12 months at the start of next season, why should 5th be acceptable?

The coach has picked the squad in its entirety, aside from Currie, Clark and Mulhearn. The coach has picked the coaching team. We have exceptional training facilities, a strong reserve team and academy.

This isn’t entitlement, it’s what the board should expect as a return for the investment. I’m not saying that we must win everything, not at all. But we should be competing with these teams. If not, then the project has failed, as the club will have regressed.

Your point in itself is contradictory. Wigan’s coach has been in post for the same amount of time as Powell, and is similarly resourced. Leeds have a newer coach, and are similarly resourced. So why can’t we compete with these? We are at the same or further advanced in our project, are we not?'"


Are you seriously saying that its self entitled for us to expect to win 2 cc finals, and 3 1st round playoff games against lesser resourced teams? Seriously? Are you seriously making that comparison to the teams some are expecting us to overtake next year as a god given right?

The board and the fans brought Powell in to make the changes. Some players wouldn't play ball so there were more changes.

Do you seriously believe that a newly assembled squad has an expectation to outcompete teams with similar resources, who are already established at the top end of the table, with good coaches and settled players, within such a short time frame. Eventually yes, but it'll take midway through next season, at least, for the additional new players to bed in.

I've got other things to do, like watch Liverpool on the box. Looking forward to witnessing some proper club support.

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Quote: Wiremansam "I'm sick to death of Gazwire on here.

I reckon everyone will agree with me with the exception of Dita's Slot Meter that Gazwire is a complete prick

Happy to be banned for life to get away from his laughable and insane posts.

Powell is a prick as well.'"

Post of the season!! icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Wiremansam "I'm sick to death of Gazwire on here.

I reckon everyone will agree with me with the exception of Dita's Slot Meter that Gazwire is a complete prick

Happy to be banned for life to get away from his laughable and insane posts.

Powell is a prick as well.'"


If you're a spolit brat and constantly moaning on here, and you think I'm a prick...then brilliant. I'm doing my job. And I'll continue. I'm not standing by and having my club shamed by the self entitled dog on here.

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Quote: Gazwire "Because I can't stand spoilt, self entitled fans.'"


Gaz it might help if you refrain from answering every post and to similarly all those calling Gaz out let's widen the debate a bit it's a self fulfilling prophecy that things will get over heated when the focus is on one thing/poster. I'm all for free speech but there is some terrible posting on here ATM no matter what side of the argument you are on.

Please smarten it up or we'll be in a lock fest

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Quote: Gazwire "Are you seriously saying that its self entitled for us to expect to win 2 cc finals, and 3 1st round playoff games against lesser resourced teams? Seriously? Are you seriously making that comparison to the teams some are expecting us to overtake next year as a god given right?

The board and the fans brought Powell in to make the changes. Some players wouldn't play ball so there were more changes.

Do you seriously believe that a newly assembled squad has an expectation to outcompete teams with similar resources, who are already established at the top end of the table, with good coaches and settled players, within such a short time frame. Eventually yes, but it'll take midway through next season, at least, for the additional new players to bed in.

I've got other things to do, like watch Liverpool on the box. Looking forward to witnessing some proper club support.'"


Never said god given right, or anything of the sort. I said that the team was competing with them, has had signing investment to take the club to the next level, so right to expect to compete again. It’s not self entitled, it’s doing the job that he was brought in to do.

The changes have been made, we have a new hand picked squad, conceded 30 points 4 weeks in a row despite not conceding 30 once last year. Tangible regression.

I believe Powell was appointed to take the club forward, in doing so, we should be competing with these teams. Yes. I don’t want to draw comparisons again, but in 2010 after the last bad apple brigade, we finished third. So it can be done.

Enjoy the football. Give us all 90 minutes off from your contradictory nonsense.

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And whilst I've typed my hopeful message there we go.locked.

Anymore of this schoolyard chat and people will be put in detention and be taking a break from here

I'm sure that I'm not alone in stating that I'm absolutely fed up with it and as for the bad language save it for somewhere else

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