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Quote: shinymcshine241 "That's sort of the point - did all that 1st Team experience, surrounded as you say by better players than we've got now, actually help either GOB or Dec Pat develop into the players they could/should have been ?

Is a bit more nurture, outside the current environment, maybe going to allow Dean & Longstaff time to improve in the way Powell wants them too for 2023 and beyond.'"


Is shipping someone out, all be it temporarily a good idea just because it didn't work out with GOB and Patton?

I'd say on balance not and as for why look at your last sentence, "nurture.....improve in the way Powell wants..." 'shirley' better here than a 120 miles away and based on this supposedly being an area of Powell's coaching expertise?

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Powell did pick Truman when he was still in the womb, so it's not as if he's unwilling to give youth a chance. He must have his reasons.

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Quote: Big Ask "Is he really the future, or another decent youngster that will go on to have a decent career?

Obviously my heart says I’d love him to become the real deal but my brain says maybe not'"


We don't know. There are no gurantees, but we do know that without a decent chance to get up to speed, show what he can do and develop in the limelight they we'll never know.

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IIRC Trueman made his debut for Cas due to an injury crisis. He scored a hat trick in that game and DP could hardly leave him out after that

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Quote: Wires71 "Fair enough. Personally I can't see how playing for Hull FC with new teammates and structures is more beneficial than playing for his home town team.'"


Playing with better team mates in a higher standard environment might help him stretch himself.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Playing with better team mates in a higher standard environment might help him stretch himself.'"


You are sounding jaded. icon_sad.gif

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Hull FC are just as much a disappointment as we are over the years.

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Quote: Wires71 "You are sounding jaded.
More reacting to the reality of the situation - we are totally crap. 2022 is in the top 3 worst Wire teams I've seen, up there with the teams of 2002 and 1998.

One positive is there's a feeling now that change is inevitable. Powell is changing a lot, and it will either work, or we'll have to go through some even more profound change and shake up some of the things that had slowly rotted behind the scenes really since around the time Gatcliffe left in 2014. Because we've been generally competing for playoffs and making a few finals we always had enough reason to justify carry on with the same old. The bleaker reality is that going down either this season or next, is within the range of possibilities in a way it hasn't been for 20 years.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "More reacting to the reality of the situation - we are totally crap. 2022 is in the top 3 worst Wire teams I've seen, up there with the teams of 2002 and 1998.

One positive is there's a feeling now that change is inevitable. Powell is changing a lot, and it will either work, or we'll have to go through some even more profound change and shake up some of the things that had slowly rotted behind the scenes really since around the time Gatcliffe left in 2014. Because we've been generally competing for playoffs and making a few finals we always had enough reason to justify carry on with the same old. The bleaker reality is that going down either this season or next, is within the range of possibilities in a way it hasn't been for 20 years.'"


We are and it is.

Long, long overdue changes and shock to the complacent culture where "there or thereabouts" and "going places" was the mantra and blowing smoke up players was the style.

I'm giving Powell time, but if we are not in the top 3 after 6 games of 2023 he can go as the excuses will be gone and he will be proven to be not up to the job. If I cared passionately about Warrington, in the way I did in my callow youth, I would be livid right now.

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Quote: Wires71 "We are and it is.

Long, long overdue changes and shock to the complacent culture where "there or thereabouts" and "going places" was the mantra and blowing smoke up players booty was the style.

I'm giving Powell time, but if we are not in the top 3 after 6 games of 2023 he can go as the excuses will be gone and he will be proven to be not up to the job. If I cared passionately about Warrington, in the way I did in my callow youth, I would be livid right now.'"

Wasn’t we still around the top 3 this season by the 6th game?

Just saying.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "More reacting to the reality of the situation - we are totally crap. 2022 is in the top 3 worst Wire teams I've seen, up there with the teams of 2002 and 1998.

One positive is there's a feeling now that change is inevitable. Powell is changing a lot, and it will either work, or we'll have to go through some even more profound change and shake up some of the things that had slowly rotted behind the scenes really since around the time Gatcliffe left in 2014. Because we've been generally competing for playoffs and making a few finals we always had enough reason to justify carry on with the same old. The bleaker reality is that going down either this season or next, is within the range of possibilities in a way it hasn't been for 20 years.'"

Can we send Karl back to 2014? Please and thank you.

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There seems to be a problem of trust with giving Dean and Longstaffe a run in the first team, which I think is a symptom of our slide down the SL table. I'm frustrated that they've hardly featured in the first team, but have shown enough promise for me to be worthy of further first team experience. The recent examples of GOB BP and HL, all had far more game time, which helped to make ones mind up regarding what their ability level was at the time, and going forward. Without being party to what he wanted, and what we offered, personally, I'd have kept GOB as he would have made a very useful squad player.

Things is, were in a position where we cannot judge Dean and Longstaffe, due to limited appearances, in the same way that we currently judge Thewlis and Wrench. The latter are worthy of the shirt, and I have a feeling that the former are too, and would like Powell to give them a go. Powell seems to be missing an opportunity, where we sadly lack a creative half back, and have two very underperforming second row forwards.

This sends out the wrong message, in that there's not enough trust in what were doing with our whole academy development structure, and for some, on an individual basis.

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Well there must be something Powell likes about Dean, otherwise we wouldn't have kept him. Maybe if we get pummelled by Cats Powell will finally give him a crack.

FWIW I think Sunday's game will see a different Wire, just because it's a change of scenery from the normal league games.

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Quote: easyWire "Well there must be something Powell likes about Dean, otherwise we wouldn't have kept him. Maybe if we get pummelled by Cats Powell will finally give him a crack.

FWIW I think Sunday's game will see a different Wire, just because it's a change of scenery from the normal league games.'"


You should win, they had their best front row banned after the game against Saints and still have a load out injured as well.

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Quote: DallasMead2 "Can we send Karl back to 2014? Please and thank you.'"

Not sure if Whizzy Rascal's BMW will do 88mph, whether Karl can fit in it, or even if they'll let him have a go.

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