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Quote: Builth Wells Wire "It was 6 ball carries & he was our top tackler with 42.'"


Do not doubt his defensive effort but six carries for that amount of game minutes is a joke. He never puts his hand up for an exit set carry either.

But if you are happy with that hey, knock yourself out.

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Don't be clouded with the amount of carries. If the poor lad had to do 40+ tackles then it's pretty much nailed on that we didn't have enough ball possession as a team for him to have had a greater number of carries.
What he didn't do was make calamity mistakes that some of our senior players made!

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I thought ratchford was poor last night. His attempt to tackle Sio on his try was embarrassing. He just didn't want to tackle him and put himself in a position he couodnt.

I'm a massive fan of him and Id love him at saints but the rumours of him wanting out and with that type of attempt, then maybe his heart Isnt in warringron.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Don't be clouded with the amount of carries. If the poor lad had to do 40+ tackles then it's pretty much nailed on that we didn't have enough ball possession as a team for him to have had a greater number of carries.
What he didn't do was make calamity mistakes that some of our senior players made!'"


Bet Hill, Sims and Westwood did similar numbers in defence but twice as many carries if not three times the amount and in less game minutes.

We need more from the second row, they need to present an attacking threat even if only to create space for others on the edges.

Waterhouse.....

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But waterhouse was a rubbish, lazy coward apparently! I'd give my eye teeth to have him back, the running of lines last night was extremely poor.

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Daryl Powell was enquiring after England last week,, as he had him at featherstone, so other managers think we have talent, I'm not sure it is the players who should go,, this is the same group, plus MOS Simms that came a whisker from CC and GF,, it's the management, yes the team still needs new faces but there is something deeply wrong in that camp,, and before we start let's get rid,,, we need to be careful on players jumping ship,, and strengthening the likes of Wigan Saints cas etc, then we will be even worse off, quality is hard to come by, there isn't much out there,, hilly was an exception,

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Quote: Mr Snoodle "Here's my clear out list.....

smith, agar, atkins, bridge, monaghan, asotasi, laithwaite, harrison, westwood and finally, whoever does our scouting down under!

Where is our albert kelly, campese, dureau, minichello, patterson...........even a montellato?'"


Why .....even a montellato? He is of course only the top points scorer in Super League to date.

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All we are asking for is that the players show some commitment and enthusiasm when the are playing and some effort. if they cant do that, inspite of things not going well, then they should find somewhere else.

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Until we bring some players in, we shouldn't be discussing who should go. Our team is weak enough.
Big Roy is already told he's not having an option reviewed but yet we haven't signed a quality prop!

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Quote: TheDoc "All we are asking for is that the players show some commitment and enthusiasm when the are playing and some effort. if they cant do that, inspite of things not going well, then they should find somewhere else.'"


spot on and an example of that was when joel got walloped and they scored,our players were ambling back where as the kr players were running in numbers to make the tackle....

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OK - I'll get some stick here but as I said on another post it's the lack of planning (for replacements of top quality players) and recruitment that's my chief gripe with the club and TS.
They've realised that too late - putting their faith in youngsters who simply aren't ready.
So next year with Lineham and Gidley - it's a good start, but in my view a winger and utility back (maybe harsh) when we've got one in Ratch is not near the top of what we want.
We need 2 halves (or one with the capability to bring Myler on), at least one prop and one centre. (Atkins does my head in at the moment with his running out on the side and lack of chase back).

TS to stay as he can bring the best out of good players and if we recruit well then no compaints from me.

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I believe that recruitment is a problem and we are offering big money to top quality players and they wont come. They see the super league as a poor competition and wont come dispute the money. I am not talking of past it players or ones we have never heard of, I mean top quality players current SOO players. Would you accept poor quality imports rather than give the youth a chance again??

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Well Hull FC signed Frank Pritchard and Leeds got Cuthbertson, Huddersfield got Rapira so players will come to SL.

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Players that should go:

Asotasi
Atkins
Myler
Bridge

Those 4 are definites that need to go, there are others than aren't good enough but could be decent squad players if we replace the above 4 adequately.

They are:
Laithwaite
Harrison
England
Penny

The above just don't perform consistently enough to be in a top team.

We need to sign 2 centres, a half and a top quality one at that, a prop and a second row if we are to compete.

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I hate pies - all agreed except we need 2 props really

One to replace Wood
One to replace England

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