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Quote: gary numan "When it comes th the NHS, there are lots of things i wouldn't treat, Fertility tratment and Gastric band surgery to name two. IMO the Nhs should be used to treat conditions that affect the patient's health and well being that they cannot do for themselves.'"


Hear hear. I would add to that elective cosmetic surgery, vasectomies etc ect.

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Quote: mark_m "To be honest I doubt they are and I bet actual figures would never be available. I was just making the point, not that I would agree with it.

Personally I think both alcohol and cigarettes should be more tightly controlled.'"


One thing's for certain, go into any A & E on a Friday/Saturday night and there are far more alcohol related incidents than drug related... icon_cool.gif

The fact is the UK's present drug policy isn't working....Though legalising isn't something I'd fully condone, it can't be any worse than the present situation.

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Quote: Wires71 "Hear hear. I would add to that elective cosmetic surgery, vasectomies etc ect.'"


I agree...Add hearing aids and help for the visually impaired...those money wasters should just be glad they are alive...

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Quote: The Angry Pirate "I agree...Add hearing aids and help for the visually impaired...those money wasters should just be glad they are alive...'"


That is not my point and you know it!

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Quote: Wires71 "Hear hear. I would add to that elective cosmetic surgery, vasectomies etc ect.'"
The problem is sometimes things like cosmetic surgery can help with much deeper routed problems that someone may have so has to be taken on a case by case basis imo.

I had cosmetic surgery aged 10 (ears pinned back) and the aesthetic benefits of it were only one of the reasons I decided to have it done - the effect that the "elephant ears" was having on me as a person was a much bigger reason for it. As a child I had no confidence at all due to it and as I was getting older and more and more aware of the "problem" and other children (and adults) were also becoming aware and bullying due to it and the decision to have them pinned back really did have a massive very positive impact upon my whole life at the time.

And then of course there are also cases where cosmetic surgery is required for medical reasons (ie breast reductions)

I don't agree with "I want bigger breasts" type surgery on the NHS (but that rarely happens anyway) but if there is a medical (physical or mental) reason for it then I don't see a problem with it.

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Quote: Wires71 "That is not my point and you know it!'"


Hang on... why stop vasectomies on the NHS; surely stopping people from having children they don't really want and would be burden on the tax payer would surely make sense?

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The point is, like all true right wingers, if something doesn't fit into your 'ideal' then it can go and clear off.

Just because something doesn't fit into the category of what you consider a true illness, doesn't mean it doesn't need help....We really have come full circle here, back to the true BNP notion, and that is if something doesn't fit their own perceived criteria then it will be persecuted...

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Quote: mark_m "Hang on... why stop vasectomies on the NHS; surely stopping people from having children they don't really want and would be burden on the tax payer would surely make sense?'"


Birth control medication is currently free on the NHS.

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Quote: Wires71 "Birth control medication is currently free on the NHS.'"
Not suitable for everyone though, and as a long term solution then a vasectomy or sterilisation are going to be much more effective methods.

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Quote: gateaux "The problem is sometimes things like cosmetic surgery can help with much deeper routed problems that someone may have so has to be taken on a case by case basis imo.

I had cosmetic surgery aged 10 (ears pinned back) and the aesthetic benefits of it were only one of the reasons I decided to have it done - the effect that the "elephant ears" was having on me as a person was a much bigger reason for it. As a child I had no confidence at all due to it and as I was getting older and more and more aware of the "problem" and other children (and adults) were also becoming aware and bullying due to it and the decision to have them pinned back really did have a massive very positive impact upon my whole life at the time.

And then of course there are also cases where cosmetic surgery is required for medical reasons (ie breast reductions)

I don't agree with "I want bigger breasts" type surgery on the NHS (but that rarely happens anyway) but if there is a medical (physical or mental) reason for it then I don't see a problem with it.'"


i had it done too 'bat ears' is the correct term.
i had it done when i was 17 on the NHS at Leigh Infirmary , improved my confidence 200% i even started 'getting some'.

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Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "i had it done too 'bat ears' is the correct term.
i had it done when i was 17 on the NHS at Leigh Infirmary , improved my confidence 200% i even started 'getting some'.'"
I know, but my nickname at school became dumbo so "elephant ears" sort of stuck icon_lol.gif

I am so glad I had it done, and had it done when I was relatively young - certainly one of the better decisions I have made!

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Quote: gateaux "I know, but my nickname at school became dumbo so "elephant ears" sort of stuck
my unofficial nickname was 'taxi',
F@*£ing hated it.

i have a little indent on my right ear but would recommend it to anyone.
Sleeping was a pain though.
Were your ears super sensitive for about a year?

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Quote: Wires71 "Birth control medication is currently free on the NHS.'"


Come on get your calculator, surely one vasectomy must be cheaper than a lifetime of contraception.

I thought you had a grasp of finance and economics?

Anyway, back to the NHS: I haven't seen one solution here that will sort out that £15bn shortfall.

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Quote: Wire_Yed_79 "my unofficial nickname was 'taxi',
F@*£ing hated it.

i have a little indent on my right ear but would recommend it to anyone.
Sleeping was a pain though.
Were your ears super sensitive for about a year?'"
took about 6 months for mine to stop being sensitive I think, now other than the bandages and pain at the time its all a bit of a blur with it being 15 years ago! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: gateaux "took about 6 months for mine to stop being sensitive I think, now other than the bandages and pain at the time its all a bit of a blur with it being 15 years ago!
Got to love Doctor speak too

"you will experience mild discomfort when the anaesthetic wears off"

translates in real terms to 'like being shot in the head'

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