I know that it's a bit 'tongue in bill' but a fully fit King T would be in the mix for me, certainly worth a proper coat of looking at.

I positively can't believe the number of stupid niggling injuries our players pick up .Is it something wrong in training or the warm up procedure ? With this season it can't be much to do with injuries picked up tackling opponents.

Having watched both Livett is a much more talented player than King. Plus he's a fantastic goal kicker.

Agreed. IMO Livett is streets ahead of King - especially with his natural rugby brain. Livett will go on to become a fantastic player and highly likely an England player.

True, and Livett also had utility value to play Half or Loose.

I do think King deserves to have an injury-free run at centre too though to give himself chance to establish as a first team player. How many decent academy products have lost that could have developed well under a different coach? Whilst O'Brien is no world beater I feel a new coach could maybe have got the best out of him here at Warrington. He's decent enough, and maybe Patton will be.

My point was partly re the Centre spot as I'm not sure Livett's long term future is there. Oh, and he horrendously missed a one on one tackle on Saturday that led to their second try, so he should be damned to eternity. Some players would be.

Which players would be? Livett is only 20 with 13 SL games under his belt so we can give him a bit of latitude.

Is this not down to conditioning tied with warm ups and general training?

Absolutely loads of positives.

POSITIVES
We own our own ground
We generate decent money
we have great training facilities
we have a great youth setup
we spend top dollar on players
Our new coach will probably be the highest earning one in the league
Smith has gone

NEGATIVES
The team is a poor one.. Smith has left us in a right mess
Gidley is signing a new co.... oh no he isnt, scrub that one
The club is in a right mess from top to bo..... oh hang on, no it isnt

Good to see tenor Lawrence Robinson was still in fine voice at the HKR game although i notice he wasn't wearing his Wire shirt.

Bit the bullet and went and renewed my season ticket,from what they said to me sales are slow,well that's hardly surprising.

You can't be anymore positive than that karetaker. One or two may question your sanity but i'm sure you have broad shoulders.

I've always thought this. Look at O'Brien's stats this season for Salford vs Ratchford's stats for the same team the year prior to comming here. Both playing FB.

GOB 25 years old
29 games
9 tries, 14 assists, 47 goals

Stef 23 years old
28 games
12 tries, 11 assists, 5 goals

Obviously Salford were a different outfit back then, Stef is genuinely a top draw player, stat's don't tell the whole story, yada yada yada, but I think it shows at least that GOB's got something about him, and possibly got a bit of a raw deal from us.

Truth is I'm bored of waiting, and by the time they do get round to making any announcement the early bird offer will have probably run out lol.

Negatives continued
Slow season ticket sales
No new Aussie signings
No head coach and the one we probably get is the one no one in Oz wants
Next season wont be much ,if any different
Can t wait for 2018