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Quote: Thelonius "Still think it was accidental, though I can see how it has been deemed as reckless. I suppose the phrase 'duty of care' comes into it too. Having been charged, with the nature of the injury caused and with 'previous' earlier in the season I wouldn't be surprised at the full 3 games. At least this would leave him available for the final.'"

Because it was a shoulfder charge, it wasn't accidental, you don't accidentally shoulder charge someone.

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Quote: Teessidewire "Because it was a shoulfder charge, it wasn't accidental, you don't accidentally shoulder charge someone.'"


Was it an actual shoulder charge or in the event of making a tackle the shoulder caught the face of the opponent? There were several shoulder charges going in at both Semi finals and all went unpunished at the time.

The duty of care thing should be looked at with the challenge as the tackle appeared to be one like a type of bear hug that was ill timed hence the injury.

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



I suppose the bottom line is that if you want to go in for the big hit and end up 'big hitting' the opponents head/face, whether by accident, recklessly or intentionally then you have to expect to be looked at after the event. More so if the hit is with the shoulder, and more again if the hit results in serious injury to your opponent.

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Quote: Thelonius "I suppose the bottom line is that if you want to go in for the big hit and end up 'big hitting' the opponents head/face, whether by accident, recklessly or intentionally then you have to expect to be looked at after the event. More so if the hit is with the shoulder, and more again if the hit results in serious injury to your opponent.'"


Agreed

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Gene Ormsby had an operation on his jaw on Saturday night, with both sides of the jaw needing a plate inserted. His estimated time on the sidelines is eight weeks, but could be back sooner. Wolves are not writing him off for the year at this stage

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Quote: Thelonius "Rovers played that kick so well, there are many far better and more experienced wingers than Ormsby that would have been made to look equally stupid.'"


Maybe so but my post was more in response to WFIII on the Ormsby has been shafted proposition I didn't think he had

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I'm surprised. I thought it was a front on tackle and the shoulder just happened to hit Gene, unluckily in the jaw. It wasn't a shoulder lead charge.

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Quote: Uncle Rico "Maybe so but my post was more in response to WFIII on the Ormsby has been shafted proposition I didn't think he had'"


He has done in the past on here, Unc. Granted he doesn't get as shafted on here as Asotasi does though.

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It's difficult to see how front on you can accidentally break a jaw with your shoulder unless you were leading with it slightly. Poor technique possibly? But there are plenty of players in the league who like to put a small shoulder in to make their presence felt.

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the guy is quite tall, so there is a size disparity, which he should be taking account of.

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Best wishes to him.
Whatever the cause it's never nice to see a player cop a bad injury.

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Notice how our coach didn't moan or kick off about it after the game unlike some other ,lesser, managers did a couple of games ago

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How is Luke Gale now ? Has he recovered from his near death experience??

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



Green found not guilty/no case to answer or whatever the term is. Correct decision in my opinion, but equally it was also the correct decision to bring it up and take a look at it.

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Quote: Thelonius "Green found not guilty/no case to answer or whatever the term is. Correct decision in my opinion, but equally it was also the correct decision to bring it up and take a look at it.'"

Hit with the shoulder. Didn't make contact with anything else. It wasn't a tackle, so what was it?

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