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Quote: CW8 "A big complaint was the officiating at the ruck, I'd love the rfl to come back with a list of every time we should have had a penalty for hands on when we were playing the ball or yards stolen by saints when they were playing the ball or tackled. They pushed the limit to what they got away with.

We were the better team, it was basic but it was carried out with a ruthless determination, high completion rate, play for territory, our defence was incredible to keep a side as good as saints out. I know that bryson Goodwin tackle won't ever get the same recognition as Danny Houghtons on currie even though goodwins effort was far, far better. They lost their belief and started to panic moving the ball around and making errors. They were patient in our league games, they were confident that we would break and their game plan was to really put us on the back foot and shatter out belief when they got their noses in front, it worked each time and I really think they turned up believing that the same outcome would happen, we would break and the floodgates open. Trouble for them is that we didn't break and us completing sets and finding grass with the kick gave them a lot to do on their sets. As it turned out too much to do and then for a change we broke them when it mattered. It was complacency on their part that led them to believe that they could turn up and we would wilt, I can only assume they mustn't have considered any other scenario as they didn't seem to have a plan B.'"

There was a great comment by Wilkin at half time when he said "When Warrington were under pressure they bent but they didn't break. When Saints were under pressure they broke!"

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As long as this rumbles on the 50-50 calls have more chance of being given against Sts, that will be so funny to watch. Mcmanus has the perfect face for bitterness icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Widnes Al "There was a great comment by Wilkin at half time when he said "When Warrington were under pressure they bent but they didn't break. When Saints were under pressure they broke!"'"

He also said Coote was great and only made 1 error.
The VT play back shown a catalogue of Coote errors.

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Hope before the seasons end we get Robert hicks as ref..a standing ovation should be the order of the day just to see the saint's lot go berserk...

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Quote: rubber duckie "He also said Coote was great and only made 1 error.
The VT play back shown a catalogue of Coote errors.'"

I wasn't giving him a round of applause as a pundit I just thought that comment was an excellent analogy of what happened in that first half

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Quote: Widnes Al "I wasn't giving him a round of applause as a pundit I just thought that comment was an excellent analogy of what happened in that first half'"

That's is fair enough but what foes that actually mean?

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Many of Saints errors were caused by our "in yer face " defence & the frustration it caused the Saints players.

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The rules are pretty clear :

SECTION 6 – SCORING – TRIES AND GOALS
Section 6.3
Try – How scored
A try is scored when:
a. A player first grounds the ball in the opponents in goal
b. Opposing players simultaneously grounds the ball in the in goal area
c. A tackled player’s momentum carries them into the opponents in goal where the player grounds the ball
Grounding
Grounding the ball includes:
a. Placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, wrist or forearm
b. Exerting a downward pressure on the ball in contact with the ground
c. Dropping on the ball and covering it with the front part of the body above the waist and below the neck
A player who has had possession or touches/touched the ball and knocks the ball forward must regain possession (catch, hold or grip) prior to the ball hitting the ground, another player, goalpost or cross bar.
For the ball to be deemed grounded, pressure must be applied by the player’s fingers, hand, wrist, forearm or torso so as to create a reasonable influence on the plane of the ball including the spin, rotation, momentum or bounce.

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If McManus can prove any of those points were played out by Knowles...
I'll go and get the CC and give it him myself.

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If a player only has finger tip pressure from the side ,surely he is not in control of the ball ? Fingertip or wrist contact can really only apply if a player has made contact with a ball already on the ground.

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Quote: rubber duckie "That's is fair enough but what foes that actually mean?'"

It means it was 12-0 to Warrington at half time because their defence was better. I trust that helps

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Quote: Widnes Al "It means it was 12-0 to Warrington at half time because their defence was better. I trust that helps'"

I understand the score...I don't know how you understand what bending defence is?.. sounds utter bollox to me.

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Quote: rubber duckie "I understand the score...I don't know how you understand what bending defence is?.. sounds utter bollox to me.'"


I thought the opposite it was a good description TBF something hard can be brittle etc etc....but you know this

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Quote: rubber duckie "I understand the score...I don't know how you understand what bending defence is?.. sounds utter bollox to me.'"


It would appear from a lot of the comments on this forum that you are an authority on talking utter bollox so I'll submit to your experience!

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Like our 'pal' Eamonn we all needto move on...I'm not going to lock it, but, please let the thread die of natural causes unless there are any sparkling, worth reading updates to be had.

Thanks

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