You're probably right, I think they just got the better coach. It's so dissapointing because last season I felt we were definitely heading in the right direction and getting to both finals was a great achievement. I know we have a chance of doing the same again but it just feels like we have gone backwards at an alarming rate this season. Our attack absolutely stinks.

Apologies if my math is wrong, but by my working out Warrington could end the next round of fixtures in 5th place.

Should Salford beat you by 24+, Wigan and Hull win you'll drop to 5th.

Should Cas and Catalans both win too only points difference will separate you and Cas and only 2 points separate you and Catalans.

I realize you've got bigger fish to fry this week but this is a top 5 thread.

Salford would have to beat us by 47, which is possible. For us to go 5th. 4th position looks the best bet.

We would need to win by 24

The difference between our points difference is 46.

A 24 point margin of victory for Salford would result in a 48 point swing in the points difference.

In 2017 i think it is possible that we won every game in the relegation zone because the other teams were worse than us.
I wondered then & wonder the same now ,is there an attitude among the players that they will turn up & play when it suits them ?

I understand what you mean 9A, and have had the same thoughts myself.
That's a fundamental professionalism and attitude problem - and maybe that's where we are.
But I really struggle to think that any player would not want to give 100% every time they play (only possible exception is before a 'final' - but it's not as if we dont need a win to get out of this slump).
And honestly speaking I give us a near zero chance at the weekend - espcially as even if Ratch and Austin play I don't think they will be 100%, and the Wembley turf always finds injured players out.

In all probability....absolutely no chance.

Possibly but let's face it their a gane us still not good enough majority of our squad are useless and not performing.

Hard to blame price when the sane issues were there under Smith

Wire won't lose another game in 2019. 2nd with both cups.

Wonder what the odds on that are?

In all seriousness, cup final aside, do you seriously think we can beat Wigan (or others) at home in the play offs, then go to Saints and win again, then back up and win against Wigan/Saints at OT?

I'm as optimistic as the next guy, but I just can't see it. We don't have the personnel.

Don't know what your overall prediction record is rd but your last prediction before the St Helens match on August 8th last was-

"We will win the next 3 games". Lost against St Helens, Lost against Wigan, St Helens at Wembley to come.

You do not inspire a lot of confidence!

Given your track record that means we'll finish 5th and lose both finals.

Rubber Duckie ,when am i due to win euro millions ?

Of course, the great shame if there is trouble at t'mill is that the paying fans are being short changed every week the effort isn't there.