Try explaining that logic to the millions of veterans and bereaved families who have lost loved ones since 1914.

I certainly don't mean disrespect and I'm sure he didn't either.

Surely if he meant to do it it would be disrespectful. The insult only comes if it was intended.

I admit it was a stupid thing to do and i am sure him being apparently on drugs while he did is a slap in the face but you can't attack or hate a guy who is merely stupid.

I am want to stress though that what he did was stupid and i can see why people would get offended. I am lucky in that i don't think i have need to be offended. I would think if i was in another position i would have taken a less than logical approach

WWI-16 million dead
WWII-70 million dead

plus the other modern Wars/areas of conflict like the Falklands, N. Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan were soldiers have died.


I can see why people would be ever so slighty offended

i agree but he isn't the erm... i forget. Ahle Sunnah al Jamah. He wasn't spouting hate.

He has apologised. When that guy pished on the war memorial in Sheffield there was a mess and he apologised and it was forgotten.

i lost two friends in northen ireland whilst we were serving there and i find your comments disturbing. would you be so forgiving if god forbid he had come up and punched say your mum in the face then the following day he said "oh sorry i was high as a kite please forgive me"

That is a specious argument. The relationship between the two are miles apart.
I can appreciate you probably feel offended by the kid. but he hasn't done anything to purposefully offend you.

I'm disappointed you are disturbed by my comments.
also, I never condoned his actions for drug taking, it was his stupidity. He was oblivious to what he was climbing on.

If he punched my mum in the face by accident i would forgive him, yeah! but that doesn't add to the discussion at all.

People are very sensitive to this issue which is there right but I think that sometimes leads to an attitude of you either unreservedly condemn the individual or people get upset which makes discussion impossible. I think you raised some good points, the lads made a very stupid mistake (one which he will undoubtedly regret/be made to pay for, for a long time) but let's not paint him as a monster / equate it to physical assault.

Believable?! He is studying HISTORY at Cambridge and was privately educated. Of course he knew what it was! Idiots like him shouldn't be at university to clean the toilets, I really hope he loses his place which he evidently does not deserve.

Hmmmm...my friends son is due back from Afghanistan just after xmas. I wonder if he and a few of his mates would like to privately educate this pillock on what the cenataph represents.

....perhaps he should be made to listen to his dad's (at times) overly long guitar solos

They're never too long for me: A wonderful guitar player

He is a top guitar player, I just find his solo's to be far longer than needs be

I have mentioned somewhere else that we must assume just cause we know something, the world knows it.

I wasn't privately educated and I certainly have never been educated at Oxbridge. But, when I went to London i had to have it pointed out to me.

He is just unfortunete in that he decided to jump on that. If he had jumped on the victoria statue outside the palace. or on the lions at nelson's thing, no one would have cared. He was a stupid lad.

But why would he desecrate the dead. It wasn't the platform to do it. I'm sure he is very grateful of those that gave their life for freedom.

Dave Gilmour is his step-dad, or adoptive father. His biological father is Heathcote Williams. Who has nothing to do with catering at the HJ.



Any student of history who doesn't know what the Cenotaph is really should not be studying that subject.

Especially one who has spent most of his priveleged life living in the Capital.