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why dont we sell penny he has clearly got no future in the squad

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Quote: Whoosh "All the people that went to the reserves game last Saturday will tell you exactly why Penny isn't playing. He touched the ball maybe three times, did absolutely nothing in the game apart from as said in another post run around hugging people.

I like the lad but the fact is he just isn't good enough at the moment, Believe me there were 16 more reserve players more deserving than him last Saturday.

I hope he makes it but the fact is he has a long way to go'"


Is it Penny's fault that the ball only came to him three times? And before you state 'well he should have come looking' ask yourself this; is he playing under instruction to stay on his wing and maintain the attacking structure.

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Personally I would have played Penny against York, it would have been a great opportunity to give have a run out with the first team and (hopefully) get some tries under his belt, which could only help his confidence.

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Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Is it Penny's fault that the ball only came to him three times? And before you state 'well he should have come looking' ask yourself this; is he playing under instruction to stay on his wing and maintain the attacking structure.'"


If the ball is not being worked to his channel it would hardly be his fault. You would then only be instructing the winger to come in-field to take a scoot after a kick return.

Either way it is easy for a winger to be a passenger. Although he should have been used to seeing no ball playing outside King. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Is it Penny's fault that the ball only came to him three times? And before you state 'well he should have come looking' ask yourself this; is he playing under instruction to stay on his wing and maintain the attacking structure.'"


Well actually at times he did go looking for the ball, in fact I think at one point he was on the opposite wing, with the other winger, it seemed to me that no one was that botherd about passing to him, then again they didn't need to most of the time, the poor lad looked lost on occasions positional wise.

I'm not anti Penny in any way, would love to see him become a regular first team player, but until he learns to completely understand the game, and understand what is expected of him from the coach and the team, he's going to struggle but he doesn't seem frightened of hard work so good luck to the lad. But not yet

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Quote: mark_m "If the ball is not being worked to his channel it would hardly be his fault. You would then only be instructing the winger to come in-field to take a scoot after a kick return.

Either way it is easy for a winger to be a passenger. Although he should have been used to seeing no ball playing outside King.
You do identify an interesting point. Penny has been playing on the right wing for the reserves, most players have a bias to passing to the left (that is not a criticism of O'Brien by the way), against Hull KR, Rhys Williams scored a couple of tries on the left wing.

Whoosh, positioning in what sense? I have seen him get caught in two minds on last tackle kicks, where he doesn't seem that keen to drop back, but I guess he can use his pace to get back. Other than that he looks perfectly fine to me.

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Quote: getdownmonkeyman "You do identify an interesting point. Penny has been playing on the right wing for the reserves, most players have a bias to passing to the left (that is not a criticism of O'Brien by the way), against Hull KR, Rhys Williams scored a couple of tries on the left wing.

Whoosh, positioning in what sense? I have seen him get caught in two minds on last tackle kicks, where he doesn't seem that keen to drop back, but I guess he can use his pace to get back. Other than that he looks perfectly fine to me.'"


Most right handed players will always be a stronger passer of the ball to their left. Most teams run drills that reverse the play so that players try and develop to both sides but you end up with a sort of 'manufactured' right sided passer in most cases. Very few people end up totally comfortable and some (Iestyn Harris springs to mind) end up reaching the top of the game without being hardly able to pass to their weaker side.

I bet most centres say they have a preference for the left edge.

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im not going to speculate on Pennys' attitude because frankly i haven't got a clue what he's like outside rugby.
but
what i do recall is the arrogant way he scored the 'infamous' try that got him a dressing down off then coach JL. (i'll be honest it didn't bother me)
Maybe and i do stress maybe
TS might wait until he grows up on a personal level

just a thought from a guy with no insider knowledge i wait (want) to be corrected

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Whoosh, positioning in what sense? I have seen him get caught in two minds on last tackle kicks, where he doesn't seem that keen to drop back, but I guess he can use his pace to get back. Other than that he looks perfectly fine to me.'"


when he did come in field he just seamed to get in the way or lost, if you are a player coming in to find work you have to let people know, If you watch King or Hicks say, when they come in you can see them making there presence known so people slide to make room for there run, with Penny he comes in side but doesn't say anything just floats around so there no defined " I'll be running onto the next ball out", just looks like he hopes someone will pass to him,

Probably didn't explain that very well but I'm sure you get my drift

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Quote: Dawson "I'm sure someone said Carvell was out for the season or at least 5 months'"


thats what i heard too

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Quote: cheeseywire999 "thats what i heard too'"


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Hicks at fullback !
Grix and Glesson at !
Jonson and King on the wing !
Briers and Bridge at the halves !

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cooper to miss out for carvell
gleeson ? aggravate back injury from sunday tomorrow, signing for Wigan saturday.

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Looks like Penny's been given another rest, if he can't get in the team against York, then I can't see him playing again all season.

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Yeah Riley is injured.

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