Yet Powell has been talking about wanting us to be an 80 minute team since week 1 and yet we are regressing further and further back to being a current 40 Min team at best.

Someone explain to me the logic of offering Vaughan a 2 year extension after 6 or so games? Whats his motivation now? He's got 2 years guaranteed. Its happened before with other players. Seems like really dumb management to me.

Vaughan put a shift in tonight. As did Williams. They are 2 players who don't deserve any criticism tonight.

Hull fan in peace. Why didn't Williams come out for the second half. If he did I don't remember seeing him.

Realistically??.... At the end of the season, when we can seriously review how the season has unfolded, or, at least, when we are out of the running for the play-offs.

When we are still in the mix near the top of the table, along with plenty of other inconsistent sides, is far too early in my humble opinion and yes, people are morons for even considering doing so.

A few weeks ago the excuses for playing crap were 'well at least we're 4 points clear at the top' last week it was 'well we're 2 points clear at the top' and now its 'we're joint top' so we've obviously been on a slide and yet we absolutely SHOULDN'T be. People don't need to 'see where we end up at the end of the season' lol. We can see it from here as easy as we saw Hull doing us in at half time.

And when the new boss comes in and inevitably loses a couple of games on the bounce, do we sack him and get someone else in then?

Hanley and Millward would be 2. But I’m struggling on the third…

Woolf left after getting an NRL deal (won 3x SL titles)
Holbrook left after getting an NRL deal (won 1x SL title)
Cunningham was sacked but didn’t win a title
Brown left after getting an NRL deal (won 1x SL title)
Simmons was sacked but didn’t win a title (end of the 5 in a row)
Potter left after his contract expired, then joined Bradford (middle of the 5 in a row)
Anderson left after getting an NRL deal (won 1x SL title, start of the 5 in a row)
Millward was sacked (non performance related - rumoured misconduct), (won 2x SL titles)
Hanley was sacked (non performance related - tried to sell key players including Cunningham), (won 1x SL title)
McRae left after his contract expired and then joined Gateshead thunder (won 1x SL title; Super League 1)

Surely you must remember Swifty running back and clearing him out!!!

It just goes to show ,if you want silverware watch Saints.

I think one of the problems with rugby league in general is the lack of money in the game . Not necessarily for enticing imports but for funding a proper route from schoolboy/girl level through to top level sport. We have a wealth of aging players who have to be recycled between clubs & maybe the best we can hope for is to sign the right mix for success like Leigh seem to have done so far this season.

Thanks Magic Superbeatle.

I wonder if Moe Syslak or Lefty goldblatt (who liked the initial post claiming 3 coaches were dismissed) could clarify who the 3rd St Helens coach was who lost his position after winning a Grand Final(s)..?

.... and joint top of a very competitive league, where its blindingly obvious that, apart from 1 side, every side, on their day, seems capable of beating another.