FORUMS > Warrington Wolves > Jon Clarke; general thoughts & Ben Westwood too |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 548 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2010 | Jan 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I told you on here at the beginning of the season. Signing Higham was a mistake, you didn't need him. Clarke and Monaghan should have been your hookers.'" off you tool mistake best signing of the year ,bet you still had with the you have you prick
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2204 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Nov 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
39446_1297796124.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39446.jpg |
|
| Jon Clarke is suited to the early part of games where the pace is frantic and both packs of forwards are more fresh as he likes to get stuck into a battle, once the early sting has been taken out of a game and your forwards start to get on top then this is the time when Micky Higham comes into his own as he can spot slow markers and tiring forwards trying to take a breather and make those darting runs to keep us on a roll going forward.
Micky Higham also spots things a lot quicker than Jon Clarke especially when close to the try line, its basically how the Cunningham/Roby set up works at saints where Roby comes on to inject some pace into a game when the oppositions forwards start to tire. The pnly problem you will have when Clarke is on the pitch is you won`t have much flair from such a key position, Cunninghan does the grind but he is also capable of winning you a match on his own where as Clarke to me isn`t what you would call a possible match winner.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 6362 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2012 | Apr 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
12937_1277989655.jpg We're the first ones to starve, we're the first ones to die
The first ones in line for that pie-in-the-sky
And we're always the last when the cream is shared out
For the worker is working when the fat cat's about:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_12937.jpg |
|
| Quote: Les Boyd Is God "anyone who leaves wigan is a mistake by them'"
And suddenly become 'shi[ii[/it'. Funny that.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 3738 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2012 | Mar 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
16748_1281690915.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16748.jpg |
|
| I said a year or two ago Jon Clarke is our most important player & I tend to stand by that - he controls the early yards for the forwards. He hasn't the blistering pace off the mark of a Roby or Higham, but he is more a Cunningham style do the simple things & do them well. Glad to see people appreciating his worth at long last...
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 7605 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | May 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I told you on here at the beginning of the season. Signing Higham was a mistake, you didn't need him. Clarke and Monaghan should have been your hookers.'"
Give it up - you are embarassing yourself now.
The combination of Clarke and Higham is great for the way Warrington are playing now. Clarke can control the play-the-ball when Morley and Carvell are in tamden and eating-up the yardage. All we need then is simple acting-half play and a link to Briers later in the tackle count. Clarke gives us that along with decent defense and an option of kicking from dummy-half.
Once the prop rotation is done and Rauhihi and Wood offer us something different we need Higham scooting from half to continue our go forward, especially against tiring defenses. Higham also gives us great one-on-one defense.
The problem Higham had at Wigan (and to a degree with us at the start of the season) was that he was given the role of the starting hooker. He is ten times the player when playing his correct role as the inter-change hooker (no slight in this as I think both are differnt and equally important roles). Very few hookers, only one or tow in the world, can fulfill both roles to equal effect. I just wonder which role Riddell fills as Higham's replacement at Wigan - perhaps Rogues Gallery can explain seem as signing Higham is a disaster for us I wonder what Riddell's signing is for Wigan.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4224 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2023 | Jul 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
34983_1307793886.jpg [b:5cuduenm]WARRINGTON'S VERY OWN ACTOR[/b:5cuduenm]
[img:5cuduenm]http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/sig/newblack/Dean%20Richmond.jpg[/img:5cuduenm]
Twitter = deanrichmondHD:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_34983.jpg |
|
| Quote: robbierotten "imo i would put Higham before Clarke'"
But Higham is better at coming off the bench and running at tired defence. It works well
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 12214 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2021 | Jun 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
7749_1266928910.jpg Now The Wire.
[quote="Rogues Gallery":xjc47q2r]Wire - the enigma. They could finish top or eighth, who knows.[/quote:xjc47q2r]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7749.jpg |
|
| It is a waste of time talking about Clarke on here. Some people will never learn.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 968 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2009 | Jan 1970 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
41312.jpg "she wore, she wore, she wore a yellow gibbon"
"she wore a yellow gibbon in the merry month of may"
"and when i asked her why she wore a gibbon"
"she said it's for the wire and it's gonna climb a tree!"
INARDIS FIDELIS
"If Noble is there next year I will not be renewing my season tickets mine and two grandchildren the future Wigan Suporters.
How low can we get".............wigan fans ...ancient and loyal:41312.jpg |
|
| wigan fans were calling him "one trick mick" fair enough that one trick is winning matches for us he is the new super sub!
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 11464 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
15968.gif :15968.gif |
|
| To be brutally honest some of Highams passing from acting half was shocking last night. We looked better when Clarke was on.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 548 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2010 | Jan 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: mark_m "To be brutally honest some of Highams passing from acting half was shocking last night. We looked better when Clarke was on.'" well he wasnt on his own then realy ,didnt do bad with a torn biscepe
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 13016 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2015 | Sep 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
10347_1278884845.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10347.jpg |
|
| Quote: The Angry Pirate "Possibly because he doesn't possess a brain...
He's been our best player for the last two seasons. He's for some reason played below his best at present, but I think it's a little disrespectful to start having a dig at him to be honest. He's not a 'neanderthal', he's a grafter, who gets off the line and meets attackers hard and whether his form is tip top or woeful, he gives it all for the cause, you say you'd ship him out, he'd be one of my first picks, purely because he doesn't give an inch. He doesn't do flash, he does rough & tough.
I think his form suffered on the back of the sending off & subsequent ban. It seemed to de-rail him somehow.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5678 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2012 | Sep 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
35453.jpg Tony Smith: "I thought the fans really made the difference on Sunday. At times I looked at the South Stand and thought WOW those guys are rocking in there, I like that.":35453.jpg |
|
| Quote: JWP "I think his form suffered on the back of the sending off & subsequent ban. It seemed to de-rail him somehow.'"
Aye he hasn't had quite the 'edge' he used to have before that, am sure he will pick up sooner or later. Luckily, the Anderson brothers are going through a good patch to ease the pressure on him.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 591 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2009 | Dec 2009 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| My general thoughts are that he is poop. Higham is also a one trick pony but at the very least he has a trick and some pace.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2082 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2012 | Dec 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
17064.jpg How can I miss you, if you won't go away????:17064.jpg |
|
| Quote: JWP "He's been our best player for the last two seasons. He's for some reason played below his best at present, but I think it's a little disrespectful to start having a dig at him to be honest. He's not a 'neanderthal', he's a grafter, who gets off the line and meets attackers hard and whether his form is tip top or woeful, he gives it all for the cause, you say you'd ship him out, he'd be one of my first picks, purely because he doesn't give an inch. He doesn't do flash, he does rough & tough.
'"
I do not intend to be disrespectful, I am simply pointing out the obvious and that is that Westwood does not possess a Rugby brain....Yes, he's a grafter, I've acknowledged that, but grafters in Rugby are ten a penny...He also does rough & tough, I acknowledge that too, however, there is a massive difference between rough & tough and controlled rough & tough which Westwood seems unable to do.
I am not saying that Westwood is a bad player, I am just of the view that there are many Westwood-type players out there, who are just as good, and more importantly are not as liable to have disciplinary brain-farts in the manner Ben does.
You may think that 1 or 2 penalties conceded won't make much difference, but in reality with the closeness of the competition this season, those couple of penalties could be the difference between success and failure.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 7605 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | May 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: The Angry Pirate "I am not saying that Westwood is a bad player, I am just of the view that there are many Westwood-type players out there, who are just as good, and more importantly are not as liable to have disciplinary brain-farts in the manner Ben does.'"
Could you give us some examples then. I'm interested to know because I don't think there are.
|
|
|
|
|
|